Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

[Valhalla]

I'm pretty sure randy never used stickum...

[ericanadian]

I think I prefer SuctionKupps to White Rice, though both are pretty solid. I don't really look at Rice's 40 as relevant as it was long before the combine held the importance it does today. That said, I think the team is hoping he'll step up and be the WR2 with the way they structured Robert Woods' contract.

[smbkrypt24]

White Rice all the way!!!!!

[Valhalla]

Pilsner kupp

[StableOfRBs]

I think I prefer SuctionKupps to White Rice, though both are pretty solid. I don't really look at Rice's 40 as relevant as it was long before the combine held the importance it does today. That said, I think the team is hoping he'll step up and be the WR2 with the way they structured Robert Woods' contract.

It's never been very important, the occasional combine standout will move up the NFL draft but other than that it really doesn't hold too much significance in determining a players future or even how good they are at that point in time

[ninotoreS]

I like Kupp a lot but those are some bold statements!

Yeah, I know.

What can I say. The tape is really good. About the only thing I saw on it that looks like a significant flaw is that his release off the line could be quicker. He checks every other box I look for in WRs with a pen pushing so hard into the notepad that it tears it. Does he get open and make plays with pure athletic advantage? No. He does it with true mastery of his craft, instead. And I think that's more reliable.

Kupp's burst score is better than Antonio Brown's. His workout metrics are better across the board than Jarvis Landry's. His overall athletic profile is on par with DeAndre Hopkins'. It's not as if we lack for precedent, even very recent precedent, for WRs with Kupp's level of workout athleticism becoming Pro Bowlers, or even All-Pro.

Kupp, so far, has done nothing but march over the bodies of his doubters. Destroyed FCS and shattered Rice's records, when no one would give him a scholarship. Destroyed the four PAC-12 teams he faced, with secondaries loaded with future NFL players, averaging a 10-179-2.75 line in those games. Destroyed Senior Bowl week, where he was so good in the practices that Al Saunders used him to teach technique to the other WRs in attendance. Then he comes into Rams camp, and after only OTAs and minicamp has already secured enough of his coaches' confidence to be declared a starter before training-camp even starts.

What more does a guy have to do to get people to respect his prospects at this point? Is a workout in spandex and skin-color more important than what he's been consistently doing in actual pads, each and every step of the way?

The greatest NFL WR of all time ran a 4.7 40 at 6'2", 200lbs after shattering FCS records, and later a hand-timed 4.59, according to Bill Walsh (Kupp's Pro Day 40 was 4.56, btw). Coming out of college, he was specifically renowned for two traits: amazing hands, and amazing work ethic / attention to his craft. After his slow 40, even despite the all-galaxy statistics he earned at the FCS level, all but two NFL teams had him completely off their Day 1 board. If he had been in a draft class with deeper talent, it's likely he would've been a Day 2 pick. I am, of course, talking about Jerry Rice. But practically all of this doubles for Cooper Kupp, right down to the metrics.


/rant

[M-Dub]

So to summarize, Kupp is basically Jarvis Landry 2.0 with a floor of Cole Beasley and a ceiling of Jerry f---ing Rice? Man, I love this forum...

[ninotoreS]

How many people dismissed Antonio Brown coming out of college? Wes Welker before his first Pats season? Jarvis Landry after his Combine? TY Hilton after his terrible metric profile in every area but 40 time? Keenan Allen after his 4.71 40? Boldin with his 31st percentile SPARQ? Hines Ward without a friggin' ACL in one of his knees?

You'd think people would learn by now.

a ceiling of Jerry f---ing Rice?

Only if Goff becomes Joe Montana.

[_yeti]

We need to get you in touch with his agent, nino, because I am about ready to cut the guy a check myself listening to you! Haha

Good stuff and well thought out. Whether he not he pans out to what you say I think you have made a good case for him! Also, this is why I love these forums, this literally has made me want to go watch Cooper Kupp highlights. It's 7:50am on a Saturday and the season hasn't even started yet and I'm excited to watch some football. That's awesome

[clarion contrarion]

How many people dismissed Antonio Brown coming out of college? Wes Welker before his first Pats season? Jarvis Landry after his Combine? TY Hilton after his terrible metric profile in every area but 40 time? Keenan Allen after his 4.71 40? Boldin with his 31st percentile SPARQ? Hines Ward without a friggin' ACL in one of his knees?

You'd think people would learn by now.

a ceiling of Jerry f---ing Rice?

Only if Goff becomes Joe Montana.

so you like him even more than brock osweiler then ? can we assume that much ? much to like but whoa back on the bronze smelting for just now OK bub !

[_yeti]

I'm looking at him again and I am where I was with him. I just don't think he has the athletic ceiling to be a WR1 in today's NFL. But if nothing else I think a case has been made why he is a safe as anybody in his range for his floor which in my opinion is a non-QB-dependent WR3. I think players like Diggs, Taywan Taylor, him, can actually statistically benefit if the QB or team plays bad because they become their bailout, the easy option that doesn't take the time of a deep route to develop.

[_yeti]

Jerry Rice wouldn't be Jerry Rice if he played today. Same goes for Larry Bird, etc.

Randy Moss is the greatest receiver of all-time. Shots fired

[Valhalla]

Jerry Rice wouldn't be Jerry Rice if he played today. Same goes for Larry Bird, etc.

Randy Moss is the greatest receiver of all-time. Shots fired

One is the stat leader of all time. One is the most talented. I completely agree with you. Jerry would be very good today but he was benefiting from being in the right place at the right time. Randy could do more in most offenses.

[rubber_duck]

Jerry Rice wouldn't be Jerry Rice if he played today. Same goes for Larry Bird, etc.

Randy Moss is the greatest receiver of all-time. Shots fired

One is the stat leader of all time. One is the most talented. I completely agree with you. Jerry would be very good today but he was benefiting from being in the right place at the right time. Randy could do more in most offenses.

Let's completely derail this conversation ...
Randy Moss is not the greatest receiver of all time. He had one of the greatest skill sets of all time, along with Calvin Johnson.
If Randy Moss had the dedication and mental make-up of Jerry Rice, then we would be having a totally different discussion.

[StableOfRBs]

Jerry Rice wouldn't be Jerry Rice if he played today. Same goes for Larry Bird, etc.

Randy Moss is the greatest receiver of all-time. Shots fired

One is the stat leader of all time. One is the most talented. I completely agree with you. Jerry would be very good today but he was benefiting from being in the right place at the right time. Randy could do more in most offenses.

Let's completely derail this conversation ...
Randy Moss is not the greatest receiver of all time. He had one of the greatest skill sets of all time, along with Calvin Johnson.
If Randy Moss had the dedication and mental make-up of Jerry Rice, then we would be having a totally different discussion.

If this forum is anything to go by it's actually Allen Robinson