Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:37 am

Kmani6 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:44 pm
Mjvb5 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:01 pm I'm curious how high he'd be for most people
Chase and Jeff over everyone at this point. Then is he in the condo for 3? With adams, hill, ajb, lamb and waddle
Top 5 in no order: Chase, Jefferson, Tyreek, Kupp, and Adams.

Love the talent of guys like AJB, Lamb, Waddle, and DK, but can't reasonably justify any of them to be top 5 right now.
Especially as a mainly slot WR, which, IMO insulates his value a bit. He has his QB and Offensive coach locked in, an this was year 1 with the QB :lol: . I mean, "rapport" usually takes some time, but man. Kupp should have a few good years left at the top with his level of trust, and justification for that. Adams situation is up in the air, too, so I'd be inclined to put Kupp above him as of now, as you have it.
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby remedy29 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:14 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:56 pm
bjd5211 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:08 pm
remedy29 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:11 pm When does this discussion turn to Kupp being THE #1 fantasy WR?
Never.
This is the short answer, yes.
The correct answer was a mere 1.5 seasons later. I'll take the pat on the back. I look forward to seeing the 2021 offensive player of the year play in the Super Bowl tomorrow. And the player I called THE # 1 WR.

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:18 am

remedy29 wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:14 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:56 pm
bjd5211 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:08 pm

Never.
This is the short answer, yes.
The correct answer was a mere 1.5 seasons later. I'll take the pat on the back. I look forward to seeing the 2021 offensive player of the year play in the Super Bowl tomorrow. And the player I called THE # 1 WR.
I took this as a Dynasty ranking, I just can't put him there. Looking back, a lot of people took it as a Dynasty rank. I had Kupp as a top 5 yearly producer with Stafford. Never considered him to be the WR1 in Dynasty as a range of outcomes. If you were talking seasonal producer, good for you.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby StripesOfKC » Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:52 am

I sold him high after 2019 thinking his inconsistency at the end of the year was an issue and sign that he's only a slot guy who can't go against press/outside corners but got one share in a startup last year after the Stafford move

Never could have seen this coming

GOAT season from a WR IMO

If he can do 80% of this next year he has a clear path to Canton the Terrell Davis way even without considering anything beyond that

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:50 pm

StripesOfKC wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:52 am I sold him high after 2019 thinking his inconsistency at the end of the year was an issue and sign that he's only a slot guy who can't go against press/outside corners but got one share in a startup last year after the Stafford move

Never could have seen this coming

GOAT season from a WR IMO

If he can do 80% of this next year he has a clear path to Canton the Terrell Davis way even without considering anything beyond that
100 percent. SB ring and SB MVP added on. By the time all is said and done, 700-800 catches isn't out of the equation. Maybe even more depending on how long he can go. He's a mainly slot guy with all the guile needed to put up Beasley type numbers in his early 30's. He's better than Cole, and in the right situation, 80-90 grabs a year in his early 30's just pads the numbers to make it more feasible. This season alone has him in the Canton discussion. People talk about Edelman as a candidate, based on playoffs, rings etc. Really astute comment, hadn't even really thought that far ahead, but you're right.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Ice » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:55 pm

Kupp is a straight up beast. He just won the Triple Crown and SB MVP. He was great throughout the playoffs.

He is way bigger than many think at 6'2 and 200 plus and is crazy great in routes.

He is the #1 WR in the world.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:56 pm

Ice wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:55 pm Kupp is a straight up beast. He just won the Triple Crown and SB MVP. He was great throughout the playoffs.

He is way bigger than many think at 6'2 and 200 plus and is crazy great in routes.

He is the #1 WR in the world.
I've loved him ever since he went off vs Oregon.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:34 pm

Reminds me of Edelman. No, maybe Welker. Kinda like Thielen. A much better Eric Decker

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby KingsKing » Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:10 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:34 pm Reminds me of Edelman. No, maybe Welker. Kinda like Thielen. A much better Eric Decker

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby mild » Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:01 pm

KingsKing wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:10 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:34 pm Reminds me of Edelman. No, maybe Welker. Kinda like Thielen. A much better Eric Decker

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Valhalla » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:16 pm

mild wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:01 pm
KingsKing wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:10 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:34 pm Reminds me of Edelman. No, maybe Welker. Kinda like Thielen. A much better Eric Decker

:D
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby remedy29 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:33 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:18 am
remedy29 wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:14 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:56 pm

This is the short answer, yes.
The correct answer was a mere 1.5 seasons later. I'll take the pat on the back. I look forward to seeing the 2021 offensive player of the year play in the Super Bowl tomorrow. And the player I called THE # 1 WR.
I took this as a Dynasty ranking, I just can't put him there. Looking back, a lot of people took it as a Dynasty rank. I had Kupp as a top 5 yearly producer with Stafford. Never considered him to be the WR1 in Dynasty as a range of outcomes. If you were talking seasonal producer, good for you.
Not sure what the relevance of consensus dynasty ranks are other than consensus verse actual. With the most important being your own rankings vs consensus and actual. The discussion in 2019 was if Cooper Kupp was a dynasty WR1, where many said no way he is not, he is a slot and can't even beat man coverage BS. My statement was not only should Kupp be considered a WR1, he should be considered THE # 1 WR. There are several ways to measure who was the actual # 1 WR over any period of time, with total points over 3 seasons being one of them;

PPR 2019 to 2021: Kupp 920.7, Adams 919.4, Diggs 832.2.

via Mizzelle Aug 2019 ranks; Kupp was ranked 21. Between 2019 and 2021 he outscored every WR. So anyone who acquired Kupp for less than the # 1 ranked WR, received valued.
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:15 am

remedy29 wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:33 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:18 am
remedy29 wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:14 pm

The correct answer was a mere 1.5 seasons later. I'll take the pat on the back. I look forward to seeing the 2021 offensive player of the year play in the Super Bowl tomorrow. And the player I called THE # 1 WR.
I took this as a Dynasty ranking, I just can't put him there. Looking back, a lot of people took it as a Dynasty rank. I had Kupp as a top 5 yearly producer with Stafford. Never considered him to be the WR1 in Dynasty as a range of outcomes. If you were talking seasonal producer, good for you.
Not sure what the relevance of consensus dynasty ranks are other than consensus verse actual. With the most important being your own rankings vs consensus and actual. The discussion in 2019 was if Cooper Kupp was a dynasty WR1, where many said no way he is not, he is a slot and can't even beat man coverage BS. My statement was not only should Kupp be considered a WR1, he should be considered THE # 1 WR. There are several ways to measure who was the actual # 1 WR over any period of time, with total points over 3 seasons being one of them;

PPR 2019 to 2021: Kupp 920.7, Adams 919.4, Diggs 832.2.

via Mizzelle Aug 2019 ranks; Kupp was ranked 21. Between 2019 and 2021 he outscored every WR. So anyone who acquired Kupp for less than the # 1 ranked WR, received valued.
I'm not trying to sh@t on your parade. Good on you. I had Kupp as a top 5 WR this year, thinking his season in 2019 was more what he was about. This season was absurd. Best season for a WR, statistically ever. He didn't break the reception or yardage record, but was so close. 16 TD's put it over the top. More than MT and Megatron combined in their big years. Still not sure how Megatron managed to put up a hair short of 2000 yards, and only score 5 TD's. Absurd, I believe he was tackled inside the 5 a bunch of times. Anyway, I was really sold on Kupp being really good with Stafford. This is just unreal, though. He can't duplicate it, but I think he can still be a force for the next few years. He and JT carried me in one league this year. Just love Kupp's game. Loved the guy ever since he went off vs Oregon. I didn't mean to sh@t on your brag post. :lol: When we make a call this good, it deserves to be bumped, and applauded. Well done sir, I meant no offense. :clap:
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:24 am

What's the thoughts on Kupp's future? Are looking at the buy window being open or the sell window that's closed shut? Rams seem to be a mess that doesn't have many picks to help steer the course for next year. Baker is the QB. I'm having a hard time seeing which way the needle is with Kupp's outlook.

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby nathanq42 » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:43 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:24 am What's the thoughts on Kupp's future? Are looking at the buy window being open or the sell window that's closed shut? Rams seem to be a mess that doesn't have many picks to help steer the course for next year. Baker is the QB. I'm having a hard time seeing which way the needle is with Kupp's outlook.
IMO ballers ball and I expect Kupp to continue his dominance, might just not be as lofty as before. If I were a contender I would be kicking the tires late in the offseason when the season projections for the Rams comes out predicting a dumpster fire
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