Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

[Mephistopheles]

Context really matters.
If the Adams owner is contender then Kupp will most likely be the better play this year out. It is not like Kupp is a 1-year rental.
But if the Adams owner doesn't like Kupp for some reason, then it will be a tough sell.

In general if you talk value in a vacuum, I agree - the approacher should add something. But it is never in vacuum, perhaps off season is.

I really don’t get how some don’t get very simple concepts. Put it this way;

If you are actively trying to sell your house on the market and reaching out to potential buyers and your offering up a similar value house (age, location etc) you generally need to add some sort of incentive/sweetener to close the deal. Your screaming to the other owner, I for whatever reason like/value your house more than mine and I want to trade.

On the other hand if you have a house and not actively shopping it (ie people are coming to you with offers) you should expect to get above market value for that house since that owner is not looking to move.

Thinking 1 for 1 positional trades for players of similar age/value actually work is part of the reason trading is so damm hard and frustrating with owners who share these beliefs.

I think you miss the point of my post. Or perhaps just don't get the concept of subjective valuation on dynasty value, and how value for every single owner isn't always mainly tied to long term dynasty value.

Bingo. Would also add the underestimation willingness of owners to lie about their valuations to get a benefit in a trade.

[Mephistopheles]

We are in kindergarten and the Teachers pass out snacks. Johnny has a cookie. Timmy has cake. Both Johnny and Timmy like each food to some degree but Johnny asks Timmy if he wants to trade and he accepts. Sure, Timmy COULD ask for a Nickle because he clearly knows Johnny wants that damn delicious chocolate forest cake, but he doesn’t because he likes the cookie more than the cake anyway. Even if he did counter, Johnny doesn’t need to accept with the sweetener and we are back to the original offer.

Ps I just rejected an OBJ offer straight up for my Kupp.

Cool analogy...please allow me to modify for real world DFF.

Timmy has cake. Johnny has cookie. School cafeteria sells cookie and cake for exactly the same price (99c).
Johnny offers 1/3 of his cookie to Timmy for his cake.
Timmy rejects, points out the same values as per the school cafeteria, and counters with his cake for the cookie and 10c.
Johnny tells Timmy that he doesn't care about the cafeteria's values, he's entitled to his own opinion and values and his cookie's value is 3 pieces of cake.
Timmy tells Johnny, "Damn this is one delicious piece of cake!"
Johnny cries to the teacher that Timmy never trades and is not active. Johnny leaves the school after the school year is over and goes to a different school as an "active trader looking for an active trading league, uh I mean school".

[ckrumm24]

I wonder if I can trade Kupp for a piece of chocolate cake still...

[Mephistopheles]

Maybe if you add a little sweetener

[Jigga94]

If Kupp doesn't score 10 points this week, that will be 6 in the last 7 that he's failed to score more than 10 points (half ppr... Full ppr it would be 5 out of 7)

[mild]

If Kupp doesn't score 10 points this week, that will be 6 in the last 7 that he's failed to score more than 10 points (half ppr... Full ppr it would be 5 out of 7)

"Weird, the Davante Adams owner keeps screening my calls..."

[Jigga94]

If Kupp doesn't score 10 points this week, that will be 6 in the last 7 that he's failed to score more than 10 points (half ppr... Full ppr it would be 5 out of 7)

"Weird, the Davante Adams owner keeps screening my calls..."

Hahaha funny how people were actually hesitant to give Kupp for him

[pvillebiker]

If Kupp doesn't score 10 points this week, that will be 6 in the last 7 that he's failed to score more than 10 points (half ppr... Full ppr it would be 5 out of 7)

"Weird, the Davante Adams owner keeps screening my calls..."

Hahaha funny how people were actually hesitant to give Kupp for him

hey don't woof the Kupp gods. Cooper will get 10 catches next game just so we can restart this thread. lol

[mild]

hey don't woof the Kupp gods. Cooper will get 10 catches next game just so we can restart this thread. lol

That's ok. It will still be an absolutely ridiculous stance.

[Jigga94]

hey don't woof the Kupp gods. Cooper will get 10 catches next game just so we can restart this thread. lol

That's ok. It will still be an absolutely ridiculous stance.

Nice TD catch. He's over 10 points for the 2nd time in 7 weeks. I'd say he could rack even more up but this game is getting ugly fast...

[FantasyFreak]

hey don't woof the Kupp gods. Cooper will get 10 catches next game just so we can restart this thread. lol

That's ok. It will still be an absolutely ridiculous stance.

This is a FF site. Kupp is currently WR 12 bleep of today, making him a WR1. How is that a ridiculous stance?

[trc]

hey don't woof the Kupp gods. Cooper will get 10 catches next game just so we can restart this thread. lol

That's ok. It will still be an absolutely ridiculous stance.

Nice TD catch. He's over 10 points for the 2nd time in 7 weeks. I'd say he could rack even more up but this game is getting ugly fast...

I didn't see the TD - was it against a slow LB?

[mild]

That's ok. It will still be an absolutely ridiculous stance.

This is a FF site. Kupp is currently WR 12 bleep of today, making him a WR1. How is that a ridiculous stance?

The stance is "I wouldn't give Kupp up for Davante Adams, straight up"

I get that everyone has different values in their heads. You're welcome to yours. I'll continue to have mine.

Give me the #1 WR for Aaron Rodgers over the #2 for Jared Goff going forward, personally.

And the DLF calculator still has a value difference of 130 points (684 vs. 551) for what it's worth.

[pvillebiker]

That's ok. It will still be an absolutely ridiculous stance.

This is a FF site. Kupp is currently WR 12 bleep of today, making him a WR1. How is that a ridiculous stance?

The stance is "I wouldn't give Kupp up for Davante Adams, straight up"

I get that everyone has different values in their heads. You're welcome to yours. I'll continue to have mine.

Give me the #1 WR for Aaron Rodgers over the #2 for Jared Goff going forward, personally.

And the DLF calculator still has a value difference of 130 points (684 vs. 551) for what it's worth.

Fair point on relative valuations, but most of those "stances" were made 5-6 weeks ago at Kupp's relative peak and Devante ailing in a new offense with Rodgers struggling. Dynasty values change weekly as do relative player values, especially with win now vs rebuild teams. Adams is returning to form, but there are still big questions about the GB offense (see the 49'ers game last week?) and him too, averaging only 9.8 YPC since his return, slightly worse than Kupp's 10.2 YPC in same time period.

Adams is blessed to have Rodgers finding ways to prop him up while he returns to health and they all acclimate to the offense (yes that's still a work in progress), but would you honestly be as bullish on him if Rodgers had a career ending injury? I wouldn't. And BTW, I'm one of those ones who made that stance, but ultimately did trade Kupp away for Adams, after his 220 yard week.

Speaking of the DLF calculator, it had Kupp & Adams much closer back then, but you're right the gap has widened a bit. The same calculator currently lists Keenan Allen as 40 points less value than Kupp for what it's worth.

[ckrumm24]

I’m just back to announce I have changed my mind on Kupp. I don’t trust him now, and I won’t be trusting him as a long term dynasty asset given what I’ve seen the past few weeks. RIP

I was wrong.