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So apparently, no deals are official. Hopkins deal, Gurley deal, Brady deal. None of them, or at least most of them. The article below will explain what teams can do to make them official, but why most if not all teams wouldn't. They won't be official until physicals are performed, and contracts are signed, and teams and players are banned from being able to do these things right now. This could cause all kinds of potential complications.

For example, if a RB falls and the Falcons draft him, because he was high on their board, and they didn't think they'd land him, they have the ability to fail Gurley's physical and void the agreement when they finally get to meet him.

The same thing could apply for the Hopkins deal, when the Texans meet with DJ.

It wouldn't be the first or last time this type of thing happened. A few years ago, Ryan Grant had an agreement with the Ravens. He had a very large deal agreed on, that people though was too much. Crabtree was released by the Raiders, before Grant's physical was performed. They failed Grant's physical, and signed Crabtree. Grant passed an independent physical, and eventually signed with the Colts, who also passed him on their physical. Something to monitor, as this situation is unprecedented in the NFL Calendar.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... s-69673604

I bet some of the agents would be pretty upset with any reneging of these deals. Would shake things up quite a bit for sure, but I'd expect it to be a one off type situation if one of them is voided.

This is interesting. I skimmed the article, but from what I can tell the reason for all this is because of the current pandemic, correct? I wouldn't be too worried about NFL teams pulling a fast one on each other. For example, the "poison pill" possibility still exists, but no teams these days ever use it. I think this is in the same category as that.

(Poison Pill = When teams try to sneak away a tendered player by adding verbiage in their contract that makes them too expensive for the players' old team to match. Example: The 49ers tendered WR Kendrick Bourne. The Falcons need a WR so they make Bourne a fair market offer that he accept AND the Falcons put in a stipulation in the contract that if he plays more than 10 games outside for the 2020 season they owe him $50 million. Since the Falcons are a dome team this doesn't matter, but it prevents the 49ers from matching that offer).

I think this is similar to that. I would be shocked if teams went back on their word and failed a physical just to get out of a deal, simply because the pandemic accidentally allows them the ability to do so.

The Hopkins deal is the one I would be more concerned about. First, you effectively have teams like Philadelphia hinting that they would have paid more. Second, you have a piece in David Johnson that could easily fail a physical. Third, you have massive public backlash to the trade and calls to fire BOB. I wouldn’t be completely shocked if this one gets undone.

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:31 am The Hopkins deal is the one I would be more concerned about. First, you effectively have teams like Philadelphia hinting that they would have paid more. Second, you have a piece in David Johnson that could easily fail a physical. Third, you have massive public backlash to the trade and calls to fire BOB. I wouldn’t be completely shocked if this one gets undone.

100% what I was thinking...would be a nice little do-over for BOB,and everyone would know he is terrible and got bailed out in a big way

I'm sure Hopkins would enjoy if it was reversed. /sarcasm

YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:06 am I'm sure Hopkins would enjoy if it was reversed. /sarcasm

It would be a mess if it was reversed.

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:31 am The Hopkins deal is the one I would be more concerned about. First, you effectively have teams like Philadelphia hinting that they would have paid more. Second, you have a piece in David Johnson that could easily fail a physical. Third, you have massive public backlash to the trade and calls to fire BOB. I wouldn’t be completely shocked if this one gets undone.

I agree. This was my thinking as well.

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but what about the picks that have already been traded in parts of these deals? If a deal gets reversed, how does a team get their pick back?

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:41 am Sorry if this has been mentioned, but what about the picks that have already been traded in parts of these deals? If a deal gets reversed, how does a team get their pick back?

Has that happened? Houston traded a different second than the one they received.

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:30 pm

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:41 am Sorry if this has been mentioned, but what about the picks that have already been traded in parts of these deals? If a deal gets reversed, how does a team get their pick back?

Has that happened? Houston traded a different second than the one they received.

Nah I'm just saying any 2020 pick. So Houston makes their selection in the draft with the Arizona pick... But then David Johnson fails his physical and the deal is reversed. What happens to the pick since it's already used?

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:18 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:30 pm

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:41 am Sorry if this has been mentioned, but what about the picks that have already been traded in parts of these deals? If a deal gets reversed, how does a team get their pick back?

Has that happened? Houston traded a different second than the one they received.

Nah I'm just saying any 2020 pick. So Houston makes their selection in the draft with the Arizona pick... But then David Johnson fails his physical and the deal is reversed. What happens to the pick since it's already used?

My bad, I misunderstood. So here’s how that plays out- right now, Arizona still owns the pick because the deal hasn’t been finalized. I believe that if it’s not finalized before the draft, or at least before that pick, then the teams would need to agree to new terms.

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:35 pm

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:18 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:30 pm

Has that happened? Houston traded a different second than the one they received.

Nah I'm just saying any 2020 pick. So Houston makes their selection in the draft with the Arizona pick... But then David Johnson fails his physical and the deal is reversed. What happens to the pick since it's already used?

My bad, I misunderstood. So here’s how that plays out- right now, Arizona still owns the pick because the deal hasn’t been finalized. I believe that if it’s not finalized before the draft, or at least before that pick, then the teams would need to agree to new terms.

That would make more sense, thanks for clearing that up

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:30 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:35 pm

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:18 pm

Nah I'm just saying any 2020 pick. So Houston makes their selection in the draft with the Arizona pick... But then David Johnson fails his physical and the deal is reversed. What happens to the pick since it's already used?

My bad, I misunderstood. So here’s how that plays out- right now, Arizona still owns the pick because the deal hasn’t been finalized. I believe that if it’s not finalized before the draft, or at least before that pick, then the teams would need to agree to new terms.

That would make more sense, thanks for clearing that up

Yeah, for sure. I guess they either have to take the independent doctors word on the physical, or revoke the trade, as it needs to be made official before the pick can be made, for sure. The Gurley trade is one where the Falcons could grab a RB if one fell that they weren't expecting, and then fail Gurley's physical after the fact, it seems like.

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:02 pm

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:30 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:35 pm

My bad, I misunderstood. So here’s how that plays out- right now, Arizona still owns the pick because the deal hasn’t been finalized. I believe that if it’s not finalized before the draft, or at least before that pick, then the teams would need to agree to new terms.

That would make more sense, thanks for clearing that up

Yeah, for sure. I guess they either have to take the independent doctors word on the physical, or revoke the trade, as it needs to be made official before the pick can be made, for sure. The Gurley trade is one where the Falcons could grab a RB if one fell that they weren't expecting, and then fail Gurley's physical after the fact, it seems like.

Gurley was cut, but the point stands.