Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby sjcourtney56 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:39 pm

So is this stating that Stefon Diggs doesn't even qualify as an also-ran?
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RB = Todd Gurley, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, James Robinson Lemical Perine
WR = Michael Thomas, Stefon Diggs, Mike Evans, JuJu Smith-Schuster, AJ Brown, CeeDee Lamb, N'Keal Harry, Sammy Watkins,
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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby lukkynumber13 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:58 pm

People saying "No way you're getting a 1st for OBJ", y'all are insane... seriously, what are you basing that off of? :lol:
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby FiremanEd » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:46 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:58 pm People saying "No way you're getting a 1st for OBJ", y'all are insane... seriously, what are you basing that off of? :lol:
Agreed. Comical statements.

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby diamonddave » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:59 am

MrUbuto wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:54 pm
ebsteelers wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:52 pm
MrUbuto wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:52 pm I'm a longtime Beckham owner and I'd take every guy on this list over him sadly. The injuries the headaches and situation. I'm done
I'm thinking I want to move him this off-season curious , what the going rate for him is
That's the thing though no one is giving a first.. Well at least I don't think so. And I wouldn't take a 2nd
i'd give a 1st for him - albeit the 1.11 or 1.12 but i would definitely.
i'd trade kupp for godwin at this rate.
12-team, PPR, 2QB, IDP League--Start 2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1 W/R/T, 2D, 1LB, 1DL, 1DB

QB: Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young, Gardner Minshew
RB: Saquon Barkley, David Montgomery, D'Onta Foreman, AJ Dillon, Kenneth Gainwell, Jeff Wilson, Rico Dowdle, IR: JK Dobbins
WR: Ja'Marr Chase, Devonta Smith, Cooper Kupp, Diontae Johnson, Marquise Brown, Josh Palmer, Dontayvion Wicks, Tutu Atwell
TE: TJ Hockensen, Pat Freiermuth
K: Dustin Hopkins
LB: Roquan Smith, CJ Mosley, Terrel Bernard Ernest Jones, Quincy Williams
DL: Jonathan Greenard , Malcolm Koonce
DB: Jason Pinnock

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:06 pm

MrUbuto wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:54 pm
ebsteelers wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:52 pm
MrUbuto wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:52 pm I'm a longtime Beckham owner and I'd take every guy on this list over him sadly. The injuries the headaches and situation. I'm done
I'm thinking I want to move him this off-season curious , what the going rate for him is
That's the thing though no one is giving a first.. Well at least I don't think so. And I wouldn't take a 2nd
If this is true then I'm off to send offers for OBJ
I'd gladly buy for a 1st(+)

I know this year was frustrating -Terrible situation and he & Baker clearly aren't on the same page, but still looks like an elite talent & relatively young

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby blemly » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:17 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:06 pm
MrUbuto wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:54 pm
ebsteelers wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:52 pm

I'm thinking I want to move him this off-season curious , what the going rate for him is
That's the thing though no one is giving a first.. Well at least I don't think so. And I wouldn't take a 2nd
If this is true then I'm off to send offers for OBJ
I'd gladly buy for a 1st(+)

I know this year was frustrating -Terrible situation and he & Baker clearly aren't on the same page, but still looks like an elite talent & relatively young
I’d give 1.03+. First year on a new team that massively underperformed expectations and still will clear 70-1000. Y’all crazy.
Team 1 (Rebuild ): 12-tm SF 0.5PPR/1.0PP1D
QB: Williams, Young, Tannehill
RB: Herbert, Akers, Gibson, Wilson, Abanikanda
WR: MHJ, Nabers, Flowers, Pickens, Dotson, Downs, Chark, Boyd, Douglas
TE: Knox
Picks: 3 ‘25 1s, 4 ‘25 2s, ‘25 3


Team 2: 14-tm SF PPR/1.5TEP
QB: Burrow, Wilson, Lance
RB: JT, Mixon, Pollard, Laube, Guerendo, Hill, Patterson, Hines
WR: Hill, Cooper, DK, DJM, D. Samuel, Sutton
TE: Freiermuth, Gesicki, Hudson
Picks: ‘25 3rd, ‘25 4th


Team 3 10-tm SF PPR
QB: Mahomes, Dak, Jones
RB: JT, Kamara, Jacobs, Zeke, Singletary, Moss
WR: AJB, Diggs, Allen, Cooper, Wilson, Kirk, Sutton, Williams, Bateman, E. Moore
TE: Goedert, Schultz, Granson, Hill
Picks: 1.06, 1.07, 2.04, 2.07

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby DJB » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:26 pm

Looking at everyones rankings continues to solidify in my mind that dynasty rankings are closer to redraft than people think
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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby blemly » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:57 pm

kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:20 pm I feel like it's absolutely pointless to try and "rank" WR's heading into next year. Never can I remember a more unusual season for WR production, and how you can basically categorize every top40 WR into one of 4 categories (in no particular order):

1. Veteran producer & borderline stud that you set & forget:
M. Thomas
D. Hopkins
D. Adams
T. Hill
J. Jones
M. Evans
K. Allen
A. Robinson
A. Cooper

2. Young, up-and-coming talents, but question marks about sustainability & elite traits:
C. Godwin
C. Kupp
K. Golladay
D.J. Moore
D.J. Chark
T. Lockett
D. Parker
C. Sutton
C. Ridley
T. Boyd
C. Kirk (??)
C. Samuel (??)
A. Miller (??)
M. Williams (??)

3. Veterans that are either uninspiring, on the decline, or coming off down seasons by their standards:
O. Beckham Jr.
J. Smith-Schuster
S. Diggs
T.Y. Hilton
A. Thielen
A.J. Green
S. Watkins
B. Cooks
R. Woods
J. Landry

4. Rookies who are balling out:
A.J. Brown
T. McLaurin
D.K. Metcalf
D. Samuel
M. Brown
D. Slayton

That covers most of the top40 (although I'm probably leaving out a few obvious names), and it's nearly pointless to debate which young, talented WR is more valuable than a producing veteran as it all depends on roster construction and owner's preference. Obviously, if you're young & rebuilding, try to stock-pile a bunch of guys from groups #2 & 3.
Not knocking the list, but wanted to point out that Diggs doesn’t belong in the 3rd category. This is his highest single-season yardage total of his career and we have 2 weeks to go.
Team 1 (Rebuild ): 12-tm SF 0.5PPR/1.0PP1D
QB: Williams, Young, Tannehill
RB: Herbert, Akers, Gibson, Wilson, Abanikanda
WR: MHJ, Nabers, Flowers, Pickens, Dotson, Downs, Chark, Boyd, Douglas
TE: Knox
Picks: 3 ‘25 1s, 4 ‘25 2s, ‘25 3


Team 2: 14-tm SF PPR/1.5TEP
QB: Burrow, Wilson, Lance
RB: JT, Mixon, Pollard, Laube, Guerendo, Hill, Patterson, Hines
WR: Hill, Cooper, DK, DJM, D. Samuel, Sutton
TE: Freiermuth, Gesicki, Hudson
Picks: ‘25 3rd, ‘25 4th


Team 3 10-tm SF PPR
QB: Mahomes, Dak, Jones
RB: JT, Kamara, Jacobs, Zeke, Singletary, Moss
WR: AJB, Diggs, Allen, Cooper, Wilson, Kirk, Sutton, Williams, Bateman, E. Moore
TE: Goedert, Schultz, Granson, Hill
Picks: 1.06, 1.07, 2.04, 2.07

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby blemly » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:57 pm

DJB wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:26 pm Looking at everyones rankings continues to solidify in my mind that dynasty rankings are closer to redraft than people think
I think you are absolutely right.
Team 1 (Rebuild ): 12-tm SF 0.5PPR/1.0PP1D
QB: Williams, Young, Tannehill
RB: Herbert, Akers, Gibson, Wilson, Abanikanda
WR: MHJ, Nabers, Flowers, Pickens, Dotson, Downs, Chark, Boyd, Douglas
TE: Knox
Picks: 3 ‘25 1s, 4 ‘25 2s, ‘25 3


Team 2: 14-tm SF PPR/1.5TEP
QB: Burrow, Wilson, Lance
RB: JT, Mixon, Pollard, Laube, Guerendo, Hill, Patterson, Hines
WR: Hill, Cooper, DK, DJM, D. Samuel, Sutton
TE: Freiermuth, Gesicki, Hudson
Picks: ‘25 3rd, ‘25 4th


Team 3 10-tm SF PPR
QB: Mahomes, Dak, Jones
RB: JT, Kamara, Jacobs, Zeke, Singletary, Moss
WR: AJB, Diggs, Allen, Cooper, Wilson, Kirk, Sutton, Williams, Bateman, E. Moore
TE: Goedert, Schultz, Granson, Hill
Picks: 1.06, 1.07, 2.04, 2.07

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:11 pm

blemly wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:57 pm
DJB wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:26 pm Looking at everyones rankings continues to solidify in my mind that dynasty rankings are closer to redraft than people think
I think you are absolutely right.
Yup just bump up the younger players and down with the old guys

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby MrUbuto » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:22 pm

Wow I didn't even realize Odell is still goona get 1000 yards. He's currently only about 200 off top 5 in yards. Seemed way worse than that.
QB - DWatson(HOU)Minshew(JAX)Darnold(NYJ)
RB -NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)JTaylor(IND)Gurley(ATL)
WR -DHopkins(ARI)ACooper(DAL)CGodwin(TB)OBJ(CLE)
TE - HHenry(SD)DGoeddart(PHI)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Crosby(GB)
Def - ARI DAL
[rookie] Haskins(WAS)DSwift(DET)Jefferson(MIN)MHardman(KC)
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Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players don't take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd-year players that were drafted

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby blemly » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:37 pm

MrUbuto wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:22 pm Wow I didn't even realize Odell is still goona get 1000 yards. He's currently only about 200 off top 5 in yards. Seemed way worse than that.
As someone who purchased OBJ during this season in a couple spots, it hasn’t been the smoothest ride, but the numbers show that he can still produce. He’s 27. Go buy him if/when trading reopens in your league if people are selling him for a mid-late 1st.

Edit: his lack of TDs has made the season look much worse fantasy wise, but he has been historically unlucky in that department this year.
Team 1 (Rebuild ): 12-tm SF 0.5PPR/1.0PP1D
QB: Williams, Young, Tannehill
RB: Herbert, Akers, Gibson, Wilson, Abanikanda
WR: MHJ, Nabers, Flowers, Pickens, Dotson, Downs, Chark, Boyd, Douglas
TE: Knox
Picks: 3 ‘25 1s, 4 ‘25 2s, ‘25 3


Team 2: 14-tm SF PPR/1.5TEP
QB: Burrow, Wilson, Lance
RB: JT, Mixon, Pollard, Laube, Guerendo, Hill, Patterson, Hines
WR: Hill, Cooper, DK, DJM, D. Samuel, Sutton
TE: Freiermuth, Gesicki, Hudson
Picks: ‘25 3rd, ‘25 4th


Team 3 10-tm SF PPR
QB: Mahomes, Dak, Jones
RB: JT, Kamara, Jacobs, Zeke, Singletary, Moss
WR: AJB, Diggs, Allen, Cooper, Wilson, Kirk, Sutton, Williams, Bateman, E. Moore
TE: Goedert, Schultz, Granson, Hill
Picks: 1.06, 1.07, 2.04, 2.07

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby kmbryant09 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:13 pm

blemly wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:57 pm
kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:20 pm I feel like it's absolutely pointless to try and "rank" WR's heading into next year. Never can I remember a more unusual season for WR production, and how you can basically categorize every top40 WR into one of 4 categories (in no particular order):

1. Veteran producer & borderline stud that you set & forget:
M. Thomas
D. Hopkins
D. Adams
T. Hill
J. Jones
M. Evans
K. Allen
A. Robinson
A. Cooper

2. Young, up-and-coming talents, but question marks about sustainability & elite traits:
C. Godwin
C. Kupp
K. Golladay
D.J. Moore
D.J. Chark
T. Lockett
D. Parker
C. Sutton
C. Ridley
T. Boyd
C. Kirk (??)
C. Samuel (??)
A. Miller (??)
M. Williams (??)

3. Veterans that are either uninspiring, on the decline, or coming off down seasons by their standards:
O. Beckham Jr.
J. Smith-Schuster
S. Diggs
T.Y. Hilton
A. Thielen
A.J. Green
S. Watkins
B. Cooks
R. Woods
J. Landry

4. Rookies who are balling out:
A.J. Brown
T. McLaurin
D.K. Metcalf
D. Samuel
M. Brown
D. Slayton

That covers most of the top40 (although I'm probably leaving out a few obvious names), and it's nearly pointless to debate which young, talented WR is more valuable than a producing veteran as it all depends on roster construction and owner's preference. Obviously, if you're young & rebuilding, try to stock-pile a bunch of guys from groups #2 & 3.
Not knocking the list, but wanted to point out that Diggs doesn’t belong in the 3rd category. This is his highest single-season yardage total of his career and we have 2 weeks to go.
Yeah, he's a tough one to place, but I'd argue he belongs in the 3rd category (disappointing) more than the 1st (set and forget).

He's WR #19 on the season despite Thielen missing half the year and with Cousins balling out. Considering Diggs had a 40 point game, I'd call the rest of his season a relative disappointment.
10-team/.5 PPR Q RR WWW TE FF
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Coleman, AD Mitchell
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram

12-team PPR/SF/TEP (+1PPR) Q RR WW TE FFF SF
QB - J. Hurts / D. Prescott / J. Love / B. Nix
RB - J. Taylor / K. Walker / J. Mixon / J. Brooks / D. Singletary / J. McLaughlin
WR - B. Aiyuk / K. Allen / S. Diggs / R. Odunze / X. Worthy / T. Franklin / J. Palmer / G. Davis / R. Doubs
TE - M. Andrews / D. Kincaid

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby Goddard » Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:23 pm

Four pages of rankings and discussion and no ones mentioned Edelman who is currently the WR4. I know he's old, but if you're going to rank someone like Green who is probably closer to the end, how can you leave out Edelman?

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Re: Early 2020 rankings- top 12 WRs

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:42 pm

Goddard wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:23 pm Four pages of rankings and discussion and no ones mentioned Edelman who is currently the WR4. I know he's old, but if you're going to rank someone like Green who is probably closer to the end, how can you leave out Edelman?
Great point
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, Lloyd, R.Davis, Vidal, Tracy
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Bowers, Woods

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir, Irving
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Kirk, Hollywood, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, Wicks, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods


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