David Johnson - Code Red Panic? - Traded to Houston

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby bjd5211 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:46 pm

djeternal2 wrote:
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Because Billionaires didn't become Billionaires by just giving away money that is not worth spending. The cap hit is pretty much set in stone whether they keep him or not, but keeping him increases the amount of money they have to spend.
Reread my edited post. 2.1 mil of his 2021 salary guarantees on 3/20/20 not his 2020 salary.
Which means $7.2M becomes guaranteed then, because $5.1M for '20 becomes guaranteed on 3/15.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby djeternal2 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:56 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:46 pm
djeternal2 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:40 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:33 pm
Because Billionaires didn't become Billionaires by just giving away money that is not worth spending. The cap hit is pretty much set in stone whether they keep him or not, but keeping him increases the amount of money they have to spend.
Reread my edited post. 2.1 mil of his 2021 salary guarantees on 3/20/20 not his 2020 salary.
Which means $7.2M becomes guaranteed then, because $5.1M for '20 becomes guaranteed on 3/15.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby bjd5211 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:10 pm

djeternal2 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:56 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:46 pm
djeternal2 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:40 pm


Reread my edited post. 2.1 mil of his 2021 salary guarantees on 3/20/20 not his 2020 salary.
Which means $7.2M becomes guaranteed then, because $5.1M for '20 becomes guaranteed on 3/15.
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You really aren't making your point clear and your edit added nothing to whatever point you were trying to make earlier. This time last year we were not talking about Henderson's affect on Gurley because the draft was still months away and Henderson was not on the team.

As for DJ keeping him on the roster only locks them into having to pay him more money than they are already on the hook for. The cap hit is a sunk cost and there's not much they can do about it going forward either way, but the actual money they have to spend on him goes up by keeping him around and activating those remaining guarantees.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:23 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:10 pm
djeternal2 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:56 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:46 pm


Which means $7.2M becomes guaranteed then, because $5.1M for '20 becomes guaranteed on 3/15.
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You really aren't making your point clear and your edit added nothing to whatever point you were trying to make earlier. This time last year we were not talking about Henderson's affect on Gurley because the draft was still months away and Henderson was not on the team.

As for DJ keeping him on the roster only locks them into having to pay him more money than they are already on the hook for. The cap hit is a sunk cost and there's not much they can do about it going forward either way, but the actual money they have to spend on him goes up by keeping him around and activating those remaining guarantees.
.....and to think DJ was thing of being "DJ 2K" coming into this year. He was aiming for what CMC did. 1000 rushing/1000 receiving for a 2000 yard total. Ouch.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby bjd5211 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:30 pm

I really don't know what they will do and would put the odds around 45/45/10 to Keep/Cut/Trade him. I don't see a trade as very likely and I see the reasoning for both keeping him or cutting. What I do know is that I don't own him in fantasy and almost certainly never will barring getting him for free off waivers, so ultimately it doesn’t affect me much. 2016 is never coming back for him, but I know you believers are still out there clinging onto that false hope.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby Pullo Vision » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:33 pm

GM Keim points to David Johnson's kick return ability and passing game prowess when discussing his value even if not a starter- https://www.azcardinals.com/news/steve- ... k-peterson

Chatter elsewhere is that, while Keim dismissed cutting him as an option, a trade (including eating a portion of the money due) can't be ruled out. Talk also that resigning Drake would/could make Arizona trade Johnson.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:54 am

Unfortunately, there's no market for an expensive RB, coming off his worst season, and being in his late 20s....unless you attach draft compensation, which is probably out of the question.

I think it's about a 95% chance he is in Arizona next season. And if he's healthy, he can win his job back.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:28 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:54 am
Unfortunately, there's no market for an expensive RB, coming off his worst season, and being in his late 20s....unless you attach draft compensation, which is probably out of the question.

I think it's about a 95% chance he is in Arizona next season. And if he's healthy, he can win his job back.
Rumours that Drake is going to stay. Hearing the tag is even in play. If that's the case, they are going to feature him. He was terrific down the stretch last year. I think it will be an uphill battle. DJ hasn't looked good as a runner in years.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby Vcize » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:53 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:28 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:54 am
Unfortunately, there's no market for an expensive RB, coming off his worst season, and being in his late 20s....unless you attach draft compensation, which is probably out of the question.

I think it's about a 95% chance he is in Arizona next season. And if he's healthy, he can win his job back.
Rumours that Drake is going to stay. Hearing the tag is even in play. If that's the case, they are going to feature him. He was terrific down the stretch last year. I think it will be an uphill battle. DJ hasn't looked good as a runner in years.
DJ has never really been a particularly good runner. It's always his versatility that made him valuable, but that versatility can be used just as well in a part time role as a full time one.

I know YPC is far from the end all be all, but even in his huge season he averaged only 4.2ypc and he hasn't come close to even that mediocre number since then. Drake averaged 5.2ypc in his half season with Arizona (DJ 3.7ypc on the same offense).

The fact that they are talking up his value as a kick returner should tell us everything we need to know about how they value him relative to Drake.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:44 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:28 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:54 am
Unfortunately, there's no market for an expensive RB, coming off his worst season, and being in his late 20s....unless you attach draft compensation, which is probably out of the question.

I think it's about a 95% chance he is in Arizona next season. And if he's healthy, he can win his job back.
Rumours that Drake is going to stay. Hearing the tag is even in play. If that's the case, they are going to feature him. He was terrific down the stretch last year. I think it will be an uphill battle. DJ hasn't looked good as a runner in years.
That's going to be a massive amount of money spent on the RB position if they use the FT on Drake, they are financially tied to DJ unless they can find a way to trade that untradable contract.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby ravn88 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:49 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:44 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:28 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:54 am
Unfortunately, there's no market for an expensive RB, coming off his worst season, and being in his late 20s....unless you attach draft compensation, which is probably out of the question.

I think it's about a 95% chance he is in Arizona next season. And if he's healthy, he can win his job back.
Rumours that Drake is going to stay. Hearing the tag is even in play. If that's the case, they are going to feature him. He was terrific down the stretch last year. I think it will be an uphill battle. DJ hasn't looked good as a runner in years.
That's going to be a massive amount of money spent on the RB position if they use the FT on Drake, they are financially tied to DJ unless they can find a way to trade that untradable contract.
Could you see a scenario where a team like Dolphins make a Oswieler move on DJ ?

Would the Cardinals be that keen to get off that contract.
He could be a leader in that locker room with alot of young guys.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:03 pm

ravn88 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:49 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:44 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:28 pm


Rumours that Drake is going to stay. Hearing the tag is even in play. If that's the case, they are going to feature him. He was terrific down the stretch last year. I think it will be an uphill battle. DJ hasn't looked good as a runner in years.
That's going to be a massive amount of money spent on the RB position if they use the FT on Drake, they are financially tied to DJ unless they can find a way to trade that untradable contract.
Could you see a scenario where a team like Dolphins make a Oswieler move on DJ ?

Would the Cardinals be that keen to get off that contract.
He could be a leader in that locker room with alot of young guys.
Browns gave up a 2nd to get rid of Brock. I can't imagine Arizona doing that. I don't understand the Cardinals plan here. Franchising an RB who isn't elite while having an overpaid one on the roster doesn't make much sense. Just draft an RB.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby Vcize » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:26 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:03 pm
ravn88 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:49 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:44 pm


That's going to be a massive amount of money spent on the RB position if they use the FT on Drake, they are financially tied to DJ unless they can find a way to trade that untradable contract.
Could you see a scenario where a team like Dolphins make a Oswieler move on DJ ?

Would the Cardinals be that keen to get off that contract.
He could be a leader in that locker room with alot of young guys.
Browns gave up a 2nd to get rid of Brock. I can't imagine Arizona doing that. I don't understand the Cardinals plan here. Franchising an RB who isn't elite while having an overpaid one on the roster doesn't make much sense. Just draft an RB.
Arizona went from the #23 offense in the league pre-Drake trade to the #12 offense in the league post-Drake. They improved drastically in points, yards, and rushing yards.

Granted a big part of that was surely a rookie QB and rookie coach getting settled in, but the offense was clicking a lot better with Drake in there than DJ.

Franchising Drake alongside DJ's contract would be a lot of money invested in the RB position, but just for one year. That's a lot different than having a lot of money tied up in long term deals like Carolina did with JStew/DeAngelo.

Spending a lot at the RB position for 1 year isn't nearly as big a deal, especially when you consider that Arizona is pretty flush with cap space (9th most in the league). There are some surprising teams in the top 5 of cap space spent on the RB position last year including San Francisco and New England. And I bet most people probably don't even remember that the Texans had the most money invested in RBs last year or that the Bills had the most the year before. A bunch of money at the position that disappears in a year, alongside a team with lots of cap space, isn't that outlandish.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:13 am

ravn88 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:49 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:44 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:28 pm


Rumours that Drake is going to stay. Hearing the tag is even in play. If that's the case, they are going to feature him. He was terrific down the stretch last year. I think it will be an uphill battle. DJ hasn't looked good as a runner in years.
That's going to be a massive amount of money spent on the RB position if they use the FT on Drake, they are financially tied to DJ unless they can find a way to trade that untradable contract.
Could you see a scenario where a team like Dolphins make a Oswieler move on DJ ?

Would the Cardinals be that keen to get off that contract.
He could be a leader in that locker room with alot of young guys.
Doubt he wants to be a cheerleader at this stage of his career. Most competitive football players would want to play.
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David Johnson to Houston.

Postby UATahoe » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:10 am

Big trade for sure.
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