Keke Coutee - what did thou ever do to thee?

[FantasyFreak]

Hard for me to say, because I suspect the ridiculous hamstring thing has validly damaged his market value.

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm inclined to assume the endless issue he had with it this year was a fluke, so I want to judge him just on what he did when he was active this year. That refers back to what I described previously -- I foresee Coutee as a potential 80-100 receptions complement to Nuk in a Texans offense doing its best impression of the late-oughts Patriots (before Nuk fans object, note this means I'm paralleling him to Moss ).

So, for that what-I-believe-to-be plausible possibility in the cards, I would pay a late 1st. I'm probably in the minority, however.

I just took him ahead of 1.09 in a startup, so I'm with you. 2 things. He is in an offense with WR's (Hopkins/Fuller) who demand attention and playing slot around them bodes well for coverage purposes. The 2nd. The Texans have already incorporated multiple plays specifically to get Coutee the ball. If he stays healthy, I completely agree with the upside of your assessment.

[sugbear65]

I don’t dislike the guy but sheesh, I guess I’m lower on him than most if this thread is indicative of his value. Nuke and Fuller would soak up more targets I’d think easily, and that’s not accounting for the possibility of more added competition through the draft/FA as well. I mean they did trade for DT this season, so I’m not sure you could say they won’t add.
Decent prospect to me, I’d have him as a mid 2nd value maybe. No way I’m paying a 1st. If that means I’d never own him, I’m fine with that at theses prices.

[grandmabetty]

they didn't trade for DT until Fulller went down for the year and they were desperate to stay relevant in the playoff/title chase. DT is not a part of their long term plans regardless of his contract

[Blueboy]

they didn't trade for DT until Fulller went down for the year and they were desperate to stay relevant in the playoff/title chase. DT is not a part of their long term plans regardless of his contract

Why do you say that? It seems to me that he’d function as a great third complimentary receiver to Nuk and Fuller.

[ninotoreS]

DT's injury is potentially a de facto career-ender, considering his age, his declining performance, the nature of the injury, and the timing of the injury in late December. It probably torpedoes his 2019's prospects, because he's unlikely to be ready to play again before the next season starts, or even soon after it starts.

To retain an injured player that they can't even count on playing again in 2019, Houston would have to pay DT 14 million, and he doesn't remotely justify that degree of pay, even if he weren't injured. He also has zero dead-cap hit if they cut him, if I'm reading spotrac.com correctly.

DT did basically nothing for Houston after they gave up a pick for him. Deserved or undeserved, I imagine this could make him a sort of persona non grata to Houston's front-office as they consider their options this offseason. He was a gamble they made, and it faceplanted. That's gonna leave a bitter taste.

And it's not as if DT's performance and age -- nevermind a major injury that's hard for young players to come back from much less a 31 y/o -- make him an appealing asset to anyone right now.

My guess: DT will be cut, then he'll go unsigned until he can pass a physical. After that point, I can see a team desperate for WR help signing him for cheap mid-late season 2019, or in 2020 during the off-season.

[FantasyFreak]

I don’t dislike the guy but sheesh, I guess I’m lower on him than most if this thread is indicative of his value. Nuke and Fuller would soak up more targets I’d think easily, and that’s not accounting for the possibility of more added competition through the draft/FA as well. I mean they did trade for DT this season, so I’m not sure you could say they won’t add.
Decent prospect to me, I’d have him as a mid 2nd value maybe. No way I’m paying a 1st. If that means I’d never own him, I’m fine with that at theses prices.

Super young, 86th percentile speed, 66th percentile agility. The fact he's already produced two ten plus catch games in a small amount of playing time, one being a playoff game, is a good sign. I should mention I took him in the 8th round of a startup (14 team), ahead of the 1.09, but I also did not pick again for 3 rounds after that, and have no other shares of him. Decided to take a swing at him over a later first. He's in a prime situation, has shown to be be really productive, and I have no idea what 1.09 this year gets me. I'd prefer to buy at a 2nd, but I would not sell for that.

[dizzler]

I traded the 2.4 in a rookie draft for Coutee a few days ago and I don't think I'll ever lose sleep over missing on that pick for the guy.

[Orenthal Shames]

I don’t dislike the guy but sheesh, I guess I’m lower on him than most if this thread is indicative of his value. Nuke and Fuller would soak up more targets I’d think easily, and that’s not accounting for the possibility of more added competition through the draft/FA as well. I mean they did trade for DT this season, so I’m not sure you could say they won’t add.
Decent prospect to me, I’d have him as a mid 2nd value maybe. No way I’m paying a 1st. If that means I’d never own him, I’m fine with that at theses prices.

x2. I can't seeing paying a first for a team's 3rd receiver. I'd sell in a heartbeat if I could get that kind of return.

[ninotoreS]

x2. I can't seeing paying a first for a team's 3rd receiver. I'd sell in a heartbeat if I could get that kind of return.

Ain't too sure he's the team's third receiver. Small sample, but Coutee out-targeted Fuller every instance they were both active for most of the game (Week 4, 5, 6).

And besides, Fuller won't be in Houston for much longer if he can't figure out how to stay uninjured.

[FantasyFreak]

x2. I can't seeing paying a first for a team's 3rd receiver. I'd sell in a heartbeat if I could get that kind of return.

Ain't too sure he's the team's third receiver. Small sample, but Coutee out-targeted Fuller every instance they were both active for most of the game (Week 4, 5, 6).

And besides, Fuller won't be in Houston for much longer if he can't figure out how to stay uninjured.

He's a slot receiver that works the underneath and can get open. They also have gadget plays specifically to incorporate him into the offense, and used them when it mattered in the playoffs. The fact he had such a good playoff game sold me on "reaching" for him in my startup. He just turned 22, and with more seasoning, I can think it's completely realistic that he can hit 80 receptions in a year. I just don't know about what I am getting with a late first. Coutee is still the same age or younger than a lot of the rookies coming in this year, and is in a good offense, and shown he can produce within that offense.

[ninotoreS]

Yeah, Coutee's age is another point in his favor. Coutee was a 21 y/o rookie -- he only just turned 22 yesterday. Despite his age and missing all of preseason and most of TC, he immediately breaks records for production in an NFL debut, production for his age in a playoff game, and the youngest QB-WR duo to score a TD in a playoff game in the last 70 years.

While I'll concede there's an argument that what Coutee did at such a young age in his small rookie sample could be a product of system and coach's favor moreso than sheer ability, these are nonetheless promising points of data for our purposes.

[BigBawseRoss]

I don’t dislike the guy but sheesh, I guess I’m lower on him than most if this thread is indicative of his value. Nuke and Fuller would soak up more targets I’d think easily, and that’s not accounting for the possibility of more added competition through the draft/FA as well. I mean they did trade for DT this season, so I’m not sure you could say they won’t add.
Decent prospect to me, I’d have him as a mid 2nd value maybe. No way I’m paying a 1st. If that means I’d never own him, I’m fine with that at theses prices.

Super young, 86th percentile speed, 66th percentile agility. The fact he's already produced two ten plus catch games in a small amount of playing time, one being a playoff game, is a good sign. I should mention I took him in the 8th round of a startup (14 team), ahead of the 1.09, but I also did not pick again for 3 rounds after that, and have no other shares of him. Decided to take a swing at him over a later first. He's in a prime situation, has shown to be be really productive, and I have no idea what 1.09 this year gets me. I'd prefer to buy at a 2nd, but I would not sell for that.

now i am far more interested in what took place in your startup that caused you to have no picks for 3 rounds that early on...

[kadun2]

So, I know it’s still early but in standard rookie/FA draft where does he slot in - ppr/non-ppr?

[wingnutty]

late 1st for me.

[alewilliam789]

Hes undersized, has small hands, and isnt particularly good at contested catches. He is a good route runner with some legit NFL speed and showed reliable hands. Thry used him mostly underneath in his 1st year, but I’ll be interested to see how he’s used differently next year. They clearly like his playmaking abilities to scheme sweeps, tosses, and screens to him around the LOS to get him involved. Desean Watson likes him too. Don’t think WR2, but I think with some more scores a solid WR3, and if everything falls right into place for him (injuries and certain player underperforming) maybe a low end WR2.