Re: Drew lock
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:25 am
It worries me that Denver can't seen to develop QBs (as of late anyways). If you have the roster space he's worth a gamble...but for me I'm not going out of my way to acquire him.
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This is news to me. I didn't know he had much of a following of believers. Is it just the big arm? I don't know much about him other than crappy mechanics and inaccuracy resulting from that...and my type is the super efficient college QBs like Wilson, Mayfield and Murray. Those last two aren't working out...yet. Anyways, elaborate. How is his arm like Mahomes'? Just the power you're referring to? I'd argue fellow high level baseball players Wilson and Murray have more similar raw throwing ability to Mahomes, able to throw accurately and with some zip from multiple body and arm angles. Maybe Lock does this too...I never watched film of him in college.
Serious question: Can you list some QBs for me that have been able to fix their mechanics at the NFL level without ruining their level of play or just reverting back to their mechanics? I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't come up with any.
Shoddy footwork and poor decision making were the number 1 weaknesses listed on Patrick Mahomes's scouting report. Dak Prescott's footwork has also markedly improved over time.Valhalla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:57 amThis is news to me. I didn't know he had much of a following of believers. Is it just the big arm? I don't know much about him other than crappy mechanics and inaccuracy resulting from that...and my type is the super efficient college QBs like Wilson, Mayfield and Murray. Those last two aren't working out...yet. Anyways, elaborate. How is his arm like Mahomes'? Just the power you're referring to? I'd argue fellow high level baseball players Wilson and Murray have more similar raw throwing ability to Mahomes, able to throw accurately and with some zip from multiple body and arm angles. Maybe Lock does this too...I never watched film of him in college.
Serious question: Can you list some QBs for me that have been able to fix their mechanics at the NFL level without ruining their level of play or just reverting back to their mechanics? I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't come up with any.
I suppose the best defense for Lock I would provide is that poor looking mechanics can be effective. Just look at Rivers' arm motion. I'm not thinking of a good example of crappy footwork sustaining success, though.
Thanks for the response. I had quite forgotten that people were questioning Mahomes’ footwork and decision making, but yeah those were definite concerns thinking back. I suppose people were questioning Watson’s decision making and accuracy as well, speculating it would take him a while to get used to a pro-style offense. Of course, they have done a good job of allowing him to run an offense that suits his strengths, but his accuracy and decision making certainly aren’t wrecking him.IZigUZag wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:18 pmShoddy footwork and poor decision making were the number 1 weaknesses listed on Patrick Mahomes's scouting report. Dak Prescott's footwork has also markedly improved over time.Valhalla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:57 amThis is news to me. I didn't know he had much of a following of believers. Is it just the big arm? I don't know much about him other than crappy mechanics and inaccuracy resulting from that...and my type is the super efficient college QBs like Wilson, Mayfield and Murray. Those last two aren't working out...yet. Anyways, elaborate. How is his arm like Mahomes'? Just the power you're referring to? I'd argue fellow high level baseball players Wilson and Murray have more similar raw throwing ability to Mahomes, able to throw accurately and with some zip from multiple body and arm angles. Maybe Lock does this too...I never watched film of him in college.
Serious question: Can you list some QBs for me that have been able to fix their mechanics at the NFL level without ruining their level of play or just reverting back to their mechanics? I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't come up with any.
I suppose the best defense for Lock I would provide is that poor looking mechanics can be effective. Just look at Rivers' arm motion. I'm not thinking of a good example of crappy footwork sustaining success, though.
As far as his tantalizing ceiling: Lock has amazing arm strength and was #3 in NCAAF in number of big time throws in 2018 (via PFF) and has above average athelticism.
I tend to go for efficiency as well with QBs (Wilson, Mayfield, Murray are all head and shoulders ahead of Lock as far as prospects) but there is precedence for QBs like Lock finding success in the NFL (Carson Wentz, Ben Roethlisberger). While his ceiling is fairly high, his floor is out of the league in 2 years.
you ... or your sig... had me at fitz-tragicShankopotamus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:31 amNo, but my QB room looks about as bad as his. See team in sig for proof.perkinsrooster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:37 amAre you John Elway?Shankopotamus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:53 am I think he's trash, but I picked him up due to my Wasteland of a Qb roster.
Yet another example why blindly saying “talent over situation” is a major fail.Valhalla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:53 pmThanks for the response. I had quite forgotten that people were questioning Mahomes’ footwork and decision making, but yeah those were definite concerns thinking back. I suppose people were questioning Watson’s decision making and accuracy as well, speculating it would take him a while to get used to a pro-style offense. Of course, they have done a good job of allowing him to run an offense that suits his strengths, but his accuracy and decision making certainly aren’t wrecking him.IZigUZag wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:18 pmShoddy footwork and poor decision making were the number 1 weaknesses listed on Patrick Mahomes's scouting report. Dak Prescott's footwork has also markedly improved over time.Valhalla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:57 am
This is news to me. I didn't know he had much of a following of believers. Is it just the big arm? I don't know much about him other than crappy mechanics and inaccuracy resulting from that...and my type is the super efficient college QBs like Wilson, Mayfield and Murray. Those last two aren't working out...yet. Anyways, elaborate. How is his arm like Mahomes'? Just the power you're referring to? I'd argue fellow high level baseball players Wilson and Murray have more similar raw throwing ability to Mahomes, able to throw accurately and with some zip from multiple body and arm angles. Maybe Lock does this too...I never watched film of him in college.
Serious question: Can you list some QBs for me that have been able to fix their mechanics at the NFL level without ruining their level of play or just reverting back to their mechanics? I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't come up with any.
I suppose the best defense for Lock I would provide is that poor looking mechanics can be effective. Just look at Rivers' arm motion. I'm not thinking of a good example of crappy footwork sustaining success, though.
As far as his tantalizing ceiling: Lock has amazing arm strength and was #3 in NCAAF in number of big time throws in 2018 (via PFF) and has above average athelticism.
I tend to go for efficiency as well with QBs (Wilson, Mayfield, Murray are all head and shoulders ahead of Lock as far as prospects) but there is precedence for QBs like Lock finding success in the NFL (Carson Wentz, Ben Roethlisberger). While his ceiling is fairly high, his floor is out of the league in 2 years.
Not quite, he’s healthy now; theyre targeting a week 11 activation... which is admittedly a bad sign but not a death sentence. Deshaun Watson also looked terrible during the preseason, and HOU’s lack of faith in him kept him off the field for one half.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:35 am Reportedly will be healthy enough to begin practicing week 11, so the earliest we could see him is week 13. Won't get much of a chance for a rehearsal, so he had better hit the ground running. Broncos (Elway) can't afford to just play Lock next year to evaluate him for the long-term, they will need to address the position in the offseason if he doesn't dramatically improve upon the lack of confidence they've shown in him so far.