Damien Williams - convince me

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

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Pullo Vision wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:50 pm was pointing out that " The Verve Pipe" wasn't good music
Ooooh. Oh. I get it now

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby ArrylT » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:59 pm

New article on DLF for dynasty risers including Damien Williams. :)
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby Prison_Mike » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:20 pm

ArrylT wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:59 pm New article on DLF for dynasty risers including Damien Williams. :)
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Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby turcorox911 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:27 pm

Sell him. I don't think Chiefs will fail to take a RB this draft, but what they really should do is draft some LBs and CBs. Draft those during days 1 and 2, then go RB in round 4.

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby remedy29 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:56 am

What about Darrel Williams? I do think Damien Williams will be fantasy relevant, but he'll be in a RBBC role. He doesn't seem to be a strong enough runner for 1st and 2nd down runs. Perhaps KC focuses on other areas and bring in a veteran RB aling with the guys they have.

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:44 am

remedy29 wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:56 am What about Darrel Williams? I do think Damien Williams will be fantasy relevant, but he'll be in a RBBC role. He doesn't seem to be a strong enough runner for 1st and 2nd down runs. Perhaps KC focuses on other areas and bring in a veteran RB aling with the guys they have.
I'll pass on the undrafted, big, slow, unathletic running back.
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
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QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:52 pm

Damien Williams's value post NFL draft/FA, if the Chiefs don't draft a RB inside the first 3 rounds, or sign anyone significant? I would say mid first. Thoughts?
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby Prison_Mike » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:52 pm Damien Williams's value post NFL draft/FA, if the Chiefs don't draft a RB inside the first 3 rounds, or sign anyone significant? I would say mid first. Thoughts?
Are you referring to his value in startup drafts or his trade value relative to rookie picks?
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:52 pm Damien Williams's value post NFL draft/FA, if the Chiefs don't draft a RB inside the first 3 rounds, or sign anyone significant? I would say mid first. Thoughts?
Are you referring to his value in startup drafts or his trade value relative to rookie picks?
I presume rookie pick value. And I'm so uninspired by Williams I wouldn't trade a mid 1st for him.
League #1- 14 tm ppr, 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1K
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby Huh » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:42 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:52 pm Damien Williams's value post NFL draft/FA, if the Chiefs don't draft a RB inside the first 3 rounds, or sign anyone significant? I would say mid first. Thoughts?
Are you referring to his value in startup drafts or his trade value relative to rookie picks?
Rookie I would guess. If he makes it to the beginning of the year as the clear cut back what is an rb1 worth? Depends on the situation but in the one league I own him I’m contenderish and he would slot right back into the starting lineup. I would want a pick that guaranteed me a top rb so top two or three. Pricey, but I want a championship.

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby Prison_Mike » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:47 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 pm
Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:52 pm Damien Williams's value post NFL draft/FA, if the Chiefs don't draft a RB inside the first 3 rounds, or sign anyone significant? I would say mid first. Thoughts?
Are you referring to his value in startup drafts or his trade value relative to rookie picks?
I presume rookie pick value. And I'm so uninspired by Williams I wouldn't trade a mid 1st for him.
I’ve seen him go for mid/late 1st in a few spots recently so it’d probably be mid 1st + a little extra if that ends up happening. I think I would pay a mid 1st but I’d definitely be hesitant because even if they don’t add anyone this offseason, they almost certainly will by next offseason.

So maybe in this scenario, the correct answer is buy for a mid 1st, get a few solid games out of him & flip him for a 2020 1st?
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:53 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:47 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 pm
Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm

Are you referring to his value in startup drafts or his trade value relative to rookie picks?
I presume rookie pick value. And I'm so uninspired by Williams I wouldn't trade a mid 1st for him.
I’ve seen him go for mid/late 1st in a few spots recently so it’d probably be mid 1st + a little extra if that ends up happening. I think I would pay a mid 1st but I’d definitely be hesitant because even if they don’t add anyone this offseason, they almost certainly will by next offseason.

So maybe in this scenario, the correct answer is buy for a mid 1st, get a few solid games out of him & flip him for a 2020 1st?
The down side is he flounders, and you are left with nothing much but a roster clogger. Or he gets hurt, etc. It's a risky maneuver. Trading a 2019 mid first is probably easier to land a 2020 first, as if D Williams gets you a first in season, chances are it's only contenders buying, which would make it a later first in 2020, most likely.
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:58 pm

remedy29 wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:56 am What about Darrel Williams?
After Darrel was relegated to three touches against the Colts and zero against the Pats, while giving Damien true bellcow work, it seems logical to presume Darrel currently isn't a threat to Damien's workload in '19.
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:18 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:52 pm Damien Williams's value post NFL draft/FA, if the Chiefs don't draft a RB inside the first 3 rounds, or sign anyone significant? I would say mid first. Thoughts?
Are you referring to his value in startup drafts or his trade value relative to rookie picks?
Yeah, sorry. Rookie pick. Mid first startup would be ridiculous IMO, but I should have clarified.
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:19 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:47 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 pm
Prison_Mike wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm

Are you referring to his value in startup drafts or his trade value relative to rookie picks?
I presume rookie pick value. And I'm so uninspired by Williams I wouldn't trade a mid 1st for him.
I’ve seen him go for mid/late 1st in a few spots recently so it’d probably be mid 1st + a little extra if that ends up happening. I think I would pay a mid 1st but I’d definitely be hesitant because even if they don’t add anyone this offseason, they almost certainly will by next offseason.

So maybe in this scenario, the correct answer is buy for a mid 1st, get a few solid games out of him & flip him for a 2020 1st?
I've been burned enough times buying guys banking on being able to flip them. I've since decided I won't buy a player unless I have at least some confidence in him.

Williams is too much of a redraft player- assuming he gets through the draft/FA with value/production potential unscathed, he still could be replaced rather easily next year. Heck, he could get injured and Ware step back in.

I don't see myself rostering Williams at his current price and I'm very fine with that.
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League #2- 12 team PPR, 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1 W/R/T, 1 Def

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