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Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:22 pm
by bsp27
devy league tight end premium (1.5 ppr and 1.5 per 10 yards)

Team is out of playoff contention.

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:26 pm
by Titans95
No Idea who josh jacobs is but unless he's the next Mark Ingram then this is a pass for me. I like OJ a ton but he's not in KA's league

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:31 pm
by jonf86
In this scoring in 9 games (not counting the one he was injured in), Howard scored 167 points. In 11 games, Keenan's at about 183.

I think considering age and the level of improvement we saw from Howard prior to his injury, he's worth just as much as Allen. I'd argue more and would take the OJ side

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:34 pm
by bsp27
jonf86 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:31 pm In this scoring in 9 games (not counting the one he was injured in), Howard scored 167 points. In 11 games, Keenan's at about 183.

I think considering age and the level of improvement we saw from Howard prior to his injury, he's worth just as much as Allen. I'd argue more and would take the OJ side
that's what i was thinking. In normal scoring, Keenan side is clearly better but this scoring system is absurd.

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:10 pm
by Jigga94
I guess the scoring system tips the scale? It's basically KA for Howard though

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:44 pm
by JDogil12
KA for me but I'll admit I think Fant might be the 1.01 with that scoring system

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:09 pm
by bsp27
JDogil12 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:44 pm KA for me but I'll admit I think Fant might be the 1.01 with that scoring system
recently acquired Fant as well... I accepted this trade, so now I have Njoku, OJ Howard, and Fant!

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:20 am
by Tennisbuck
KA



OJ

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am
by BigBawseRoss
4 people really hate KA lol

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
by jonf86
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:43 am
by jenkins.math
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.
Most people probably read the poll, voted, then commented based on their league settings and not your league settings (which is where the trade is happening and should be all that matters).

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am
by BigBawseRoss
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:08 am
by jonf86
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.
I made it seem like there’s a 5-6 year gap? Not sure how I did that. My intention was just to say that howard would be in his prime at 27, which I think is a reasonable statement. Assuming the scoring is a ppr for other positions, but OP correct me if I’m wrong

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:21 am
by BigBawseRoss
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:08 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am

Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.
I made it seem like there’s a 5-6 year gap? Not sure how I did that. My intention was just to say that howard would be in his prime at 27, which I think is a reasonable statement. Assuming the scoring is a ppr for other positions, but OP correct me if I’m wrong
ya the line about howard just entering his prime when KA hits age 30 makes it seem like there is some large age gap between the two players...

Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:44 pm
by Duke Nuk’em
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.

This plus careers are much shorter for TEs than they are for WRs. Even with this scoring system I still want KA with your roster construction.