Dynasty League Football Forum

This would be for Team 1 in my sig.

I’m a fan of both players honestly but I was offered Howard.

Who do you prefer?

Mixon by very little. Mixon is worth about the 1.02 to me and Howard is worth about the 1.03.

Blueboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:41 am Mixon by very little. Mixon is worth about the 1.02 to me and Howard is worth about the 1.03.

Agreed

I own both and right now I would need a pretty good piece in addition to Howard for me to move Mixon. I LOVE Howard and think he is criminally underrated with how incredible he was on the terrible offense he was on. With that being said we have seen 2 years in a row with him being one of the worst past catching backs in the NFL while they have a dynamic young scat back to perfectly compliment him on third downs now. I don't think Howard lose many carries but I don't see how catching more than 20ish balls whereas I see mixon coming close to carries and have 50-70 receptions easily. Mixon is the much much higher ceiling but obviously Howard's proven rushing production is a safer floor. I'm always shooting for upside especially one guys I personally really believe in like Mixon

Titans95 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:16 pm I own both and right now I would need a pretty good piece in addition to Howard for me to move Mixon. I LOVE Howard and think he is criminally underrated with how incredible he was on the terrible offense he was on. With that being said we have seen 2 years in a row with him being one of the worst past catching backs in the NFL while they have a dynamic young scat back to perfectly compliment him on third downs now. I don't think Howard lose many carries but I don't see how catching more than 20ish balls whereas I see mixon coming close to carries and have 50-70 receptions easily. Mixon is the much much higher ceiling but obviously Howard's proven rushing production is a safer floor. I'm always shooting for upside especially one guys I personally really believe in like Mixon

What type of good piece would you need in addition? Howard put up 200 pts last yr, while Mixon put up 143. Howard has proven he is a capable NFL back over the course of two seasons now. At minimum they're pretty equal, but asking for a substantial piece to be added onto Howard is a bit much imo.

kumetis93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:13 am

Titans95 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:16 pm I own both and right now I would need a pretty good piece in addition to Howard for me to move Mixon. I LOVE Howard and think he is criminally underrated with how incredible he was on the terrible offense he was on. With that being said we have seen 2 years in a row with him being one of the worst past catching backs in the NFL while they have a dynamic young scat back to perfectly compliment him on third downs now. I don't think Howard lose many carries but I don't see how catching more than 20ish balls whereas I see mixon coming close to carries and have 50-70 receptions easily. Mixon is the much much higher ceiling but obviously Howard's proven rushing production is a safer floor. I'm always shooting for upside especially one guys I personally really believe in like Mixon

What type of good piece would you need in addition? Howard put up 200 pts last yr, while Mixon put up 143. Howard has proven he is a capable NFL back over the course of two seasons now. At minimum they're pretty equal, but asking for a substantial piece to be added onto Howard is a bit much imo.

Then there wouldn't be a trade capable of working out between us. Some believe in Mixon some don't. No Chance I trade Mixon straight up for Howard. Howard is a safer floor but Mixon's ceiling is sky high, Howard's is limited. Every arrow is pointing up for Mixon to be a workhorse back in carries and he's already proven his one of the more capable receiving backs hence but his top 5 yards per route run stat....Some arrows are pointing up for Howard (Better overall offense and coaches) but some arrows are pointing down....2 years in a row of failing to make an impact as a receiver, having a dynamic scat back being talked up all off season but new coaching regime, trade rumors for howard because he didnt "fit" the scheme.....Howard is a great NFL running back but his fantasy upside is limited if he isn't catching more than 15-20 receptions...Additionally their ADP's are 23 and 41 respectively, that's two full rounds difference which is pretty substantial

This same question has come up in the Team Advice section and the Redraft/Keepers section. I guess I'm just missing what people see in Mixon that makes him a better option than Howard. Just because he might catch more passes, that is no guarantee of better production overall. I've got 2 years of data from Howard and he simply looks like the better back in an offense that has no where to go but up. I just don't see how anyone can be nearly as confident in Mixon when Gio is a FAR better complimentary option (because he can actually steal a fair volume of carries) than is Cohen.

Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:52 am

kumetis93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:13 am

Titans95 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:16 pm I own both and right now I would need a pretty good piece in addition to Howard for me to move Mixon. I LOVE Howard and think he is criminally underrated with how incredible he was on the terrible offense he was on. With that being said we have seen 2 years in a row with him being one of the worst past catching backs in the NFL while they have a dynamic young scat back to perfectly compliment him on third downs now. I don't think Howard lose many carries but I don't see how catching more than 20ish balls whereas I see mixon coming close to carries and have 50-70 receptions easily. Mixon is the much much higher ceiling but obviously Howard's proven rushing production is a safer floor. I'm always shooting for upside especially one guys I personally really believe in like Mixon

What type of good piece would you need in addition? Howard put up 200 pts last yr, while Mixon put up 143. Howard has proven he is a capable NFL back over the course of two seasons now. At minimum they're pretty equal, but asking for a substantial piece to be added onto Howard is a bit much imo.

Then there wouldn't be a trade capable of working out between us. Some believe in Mixon some don't. No Chance I trade Mixon straight up for Howard. Howard is a safer floor but Mixon's ceiling is sky high, Howard's is limited. Every arrow is pointing up for Mixon to be a workhorse back in carries and he's already proven his one of the more capable receiving backs hence but his top 5 yards per route run stat....Some arrows are pointing up for Howard (Better overall offense and coaches) but some arrows are pointing down....2 years in a row of failing to make an impact as a receiver, having a dynamic scat back being talked up all off season but new coaching regime, trade rumors for howard because he didnt "fit" the scheme.....Howard is a great NFL running back but his fantasy upside is limited if he isn't catching more than 15-20 receptions...Additionally their ADP's are 23 and 41 respectively, that's two full rounds difference which is pretty substantial

Believing in Mixon is one thing, but you value him more than a proven RB at this stage (You are in the majority here, but I'll never understand it).

Mixon had 34 targets on the year, Howard had 32. They both split time. The difference is, Howard is a workhorse back who cranked out a second 1100+ yard season, and scored 9 TD's. Mixon had one, 100 yard game (against the Browns).

If you want to rely on potential, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect someone else to provide substantial assets on top of a proven asset, just to obtain your asset that's based on "sky high" potential. What my point is, Mixon had 143 pts, and Howard had 200, so it's crazy to me that you think I'm adding anything worthwhile to Howard, in order to get Mixon. Now, If Mixon goes off this year, then sure that's reasonable to expect.

Just my .2, not trying to be aggressive or anything, just friendly banter.

Mixon easily.

The only league in which I would prefer Howard would be a league where I get points for past production. I don’t play in any leagues that have that setting.

Mixon is on another level of talent. We are only a few months away from seeing that unfold for the world to witness.

[/quote]

Believing in Mixon is one thing, but you value him more than a proven RB at this stage (You are in the majority here, but I'll never understand it).

Mixon had 34 targets on the year, Howard had 32. They both split time. The difference is, Howard is a workhorse back who cranked out a second 1100+ yard season, and scored 9 TD's. Mixon had one, 100 yard game (against the Browns).

If you want to rely on potential, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect someone else to provide substantial assets on top of a proven asset, just to obtain your asset that's based on "sky high" potential. What my point is, Mixon had 143 pts, and Howard had 200, so it's crazy to me that you think I'm adding anything worthwhile to Howard, in order to get Mixon. Now, If Mixon goes off this year, then sure that's reasonable to expect.

Just my .2, not trying to be aggressive or anything, just friendly banter.
[/quote]

I love the banter lol and that's fair to have your opinion. I can't argue Mixon is better because every stat will point to Howard but my gut feeling is Mixon is a special athlete coming out and had a poor rookie year which the whole Bengals offense did so I'm excusing it and also choosing not to panic after one rookie year when there was definitely some flashes from Mixon. I understand he ultimately under performed especially compared to the rest of the rookies. Based on both our replies we seem to have very different philosophies towards fantasy which is how trades happen, I'd gladly trade Howard to get Mixon if you had owned him in a league lol. My only thing I have to say about your comments that I bolded is that is a very reactionary mindset and it would limit any type of getting value out of a player BEFORE they breakout. Last year I traded Cooks for Hunt and I was biting my nails all preseason until the patriots game but that worked out incredibly. Unfortunately that type of success won't happen every time but its just an example of taking the upside approach I guess.

I traded Freeman straight up for Mixon this past off season and at first I was reluctant to do it without getting something on top of Mixon but in the end I decided that Mixon's 4 years younger and has more arrows pointing up with a larger workload potential that Freeman so I went with it. We will see how it goes fingers crossed lol

Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:54 pm

Believing in Mixon is one thing, but you value him more than a proven RB at this stage (You are in the majority here, but I'll never understand it).

Mixon had 34 targets on the year, Howard had 32. They both split time. The difference is, Howard is a workhorse back who cranked out a second 1100+ yard season, and scored 9 TD's. Mixon had one, 100 yard game (against the Browns).

If you want to rely on potential, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect someone else to provide substantial assets on top of a proven asset, just to obtain your asset that's based on "sky high" potential. What my point is, Mixon had 143 pts, and Howard had 200, so it's crazy to me that you think I'm adding anything worthwhile to Howard, in order to get Mixon. Now, If Mixon goes off this year, then sure that's reasonable to expect.

Just my .2, not trying to be aggressive or anything, just friendly banter.
[/quote]

I love the banter lol and that's fair to have your opinion. I can't argue Mixon is better because every stat will point to Howard but my gut feeling is Mixon is a special athlete coming out and had a poor rookie year which the whole Bengals offense did so I'm excusing it and also choosing not to panic after one rookie year when there was definitely some flashes from Mixon. I understand he ultimately under performed especially compared to the rest of the rookies. Based on both our replies we seem to have very different philosophies towards fantasy which is how trades happen, I'd gladly trade Howard to get Mixon if you had owned him in a league lol. My only thing I have to say about your comments that I bolded is that is a very reactionary mindset and it would limit any type of getting value out of a player BEFORE they breakout. Last year I traded Cooks for Hunt and I was biting my nails all preseason until the patriots game but that worked out incredibly. Unfortunately that type of success won't happen every time but its just an example of taking the upside approach I guess.

I traded Freeman straight up for Mixon this past off season and at first I was reluctant to do it without getting something on top of Mixon but in the end I decided that Mixon's 4 years younger and has more arrows pointing up with a larger workload potential that Freeman so I went with it. We will see how it goes fingers crossed lol
[/quote]

Mixon is extremely talented no one can deny that, the only reason his stock dropped in the NFL draft was due to off field nonsense. I'd probably trade Howard straight for Mixon if we're being honest, but the owner of Mixon in both my leagues values to the point where I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I pulled the trigger on a trade. We definitely have different philosophies, but I don't think our valuation is far off. I can definitely see Mixon blowing up this year, with an improved line in cincy.

BTW, If I owned Freeman, and traded him away straight up for Mixon I would probably be doing back flips, then again I'm not high on Freeman whatsoever. He is similar to Howard, except riddled with injuries and on the decline it would seem.

kumetis93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:08 pm
Believing in Mixon is one thing, but you value him more than a proven RB at this stage

You mean like how so many people value Barkley over just about every proven RB currently in the league?

kumetis93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:09 pm BTW, If I owned Freeman, and traded him away straight up for Mixon I would probably be doing back flips, then again I'm not high on Freeman whatsoever. He is similar to Howard, except riddled with injuries and on the decline it would seem.

And I'd be on the other side doing those backflips... Freeman is going to give me 1000+ yards and 10+ TDs on the ground along with 50+ receptions. Not sure where you're seeing the similarities to Howard, unless you're projecting a big increase in receptions for him? I think that would make me lean even more to the Howard side of the debate with Mixon...

Goddard wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:16 pm

kumetis93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:08 pm
Believing in Mixon is one thing, but you value him more than a proven RB at this stage

You mean like how so many people value Barkley over just about every proven RB currently in the league?

Yeah, which I find ridiculous as well. Don't get me wrong, I think Barkley is going to be a stud, but am I trading Kamara and a first to get him? Hell no.

skip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:55 pm

kumetis93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:09 pm BTW, If I owned Freeman, and traded him away straight up for Mixon I would probably be doing back flips, then again I'm not high on Freeman whatsoever. He is similar to Howard, except riddled with injuries and on the decline it would seem.

And I'd be on the other side doing those backflips... Freeman is going to give me 1000+ yards and 10+ TDs on the ground along with 50+ receptions. Not sure where you're seeing the similarities to Howard, unless you're projecting a big increase in receptions for him? I think that would make me lean even more to the Howard side of the debate with Mixon...

No, not projecting a big increase in receptions at all. They're pretty equal RB's, I just prefer Howard. The only difference being I'd rather own Mixon than Freeman (for dynasty). For me, it's Howard, then Mixon, then Freeman (and it's all close). My main banter earlier in this thread was that I wouldn't be adding anything significant to any of these pieces in order to get the other. I believe they are all pretty close in value and production, all coming down to preference.