I concur. I honestly never thought the Blue Jays had a serious chance to compete - but you cannot blame them for wanting to.jcc6fd wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:25 amJays aren’t competing and weren’t going to resign him. Surprised they got anything for a 1 month rental on a player who isn’t fully healthy. The real tragedy is that they didn’t trade him before the season for a real return because they thought they’d compete.Phaded wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:29 amBetween the Donaldson & Mack news.. it was a rough start to the long weekend.Dookmariot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:11 am
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Also - Bryant (along with Coleman, Miller and Perriman) was NOT claimed off of waivers.
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From what I've read, even management didn't think the Jays would compete. They were just worried about fan relations taking a hit and firming the belief that Rogers is unwilling to spend money.ArrylT wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:02 pmI concur. I honestly never thought the Blue Jays had a serious chance to compete - but you cannot blame them for wanting to.jcc6fd wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:25 amJays aren’t competing and weren’t going to resign him. Surprised they got anything for a 1 month rental on a player who isn’t fully healthy. The real tragedy is that they didn’t trade him before the season for a real return because they thought they’d compete.
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Yeah - losing Donaldson was not so much about not being a contender as it was losing a guy I really liked.
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Blowing a 3rd on Martavis good lord... A 2nd is fetching franchise Qb's and they gave a 3rd for him
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Gruden's been watching too much Draft Day
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Yeah, but by all accounts the Pats got fleeced with that deal.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:32 pm Blowing a 3rd on Martavis good lord... A 2nd is fetching franchise Qb's and they gave a 3rd for him
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Not to de-rail the thread, but all the leverage is with the team that is acquiring the QB. The team selling isn't going to re-sign so they have to sell. Alex Smith went for a player and a 3rd. Tyrod a 3rd I believe.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:11 pmYeah, but by all accounts the Pats got fleeced with that deal.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:32 pm Blowing a 3rd on Martavis good lord... A 2nd is fetching franchise Qb's and they gave a 3rd for him
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There are other factors at play here. Washington has to pay Smith. Tyrod is not a franchise quarterback. Garrapollo was on the last year of his contract and required a massive extension. A 2nd seemed like a high price to pay for the right at first crack to give an unproven backup a mega contract. Martavis was still on his rookie deal for 2 years. That’s cheap starting caliber talent, which is why he had value. The miscalculation only stemmed from his repeated substance abuseDynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:19 pmNot to de-rail the thread, but all the leverage is with the team that is acquiring the QB. The team selling isn't going to re-sign so they have to sell. Alex Smith went for a player and a 3rd. Tyrod a 3rd I believe.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:11 pmYeah, but by all accounts the Pats got fleeced with that deal.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:32 pm Blowing a 3rd on Martavis good lord... A 2nd is fetching franchise Qb's and they gave a 3rd for him
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True.jcc6fd wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:22 pmThere are other factors at play here. Washington has to pay Smith. Tyrod is not a franchise quarterback. Garrapollo was on the last year of his contract and required a massive extension. A 2nd seemed like a high price to pay for the right at first crack to give an unproven backup a mega contract. Martavis was still on his rookie deal for 2 years. That’s cheap starting caliber talent, which is why he had value. The miscalculation only stemmed from his repeated substance abuseDynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:19 pmNot to de-rail the thread, but all the leverage is with the team that is acquiring the QB. The team selling isn't going to re-sign so they have to sell. Alex Smith went for a player and a 3rd. Tyrod a 3rd I believe.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:11 pm
Yeah, but by all accounts the Pats got fleeced with that deal.
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Re: Martavis Bryant to the Raiders
Well yeah. He was a headcase that never put together a full productive season. With how closely these teams guard their draft picks and the value they put on them it wasn't cheap at all for a giant question-mark.
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The pick used was the 3rd they picked up from Arizona for moving back in the 1st round (from 1.10 to 1.15) - so it is possible they thought of it as 'free money' since a lot of indications seem to suggest they would have taken Miller at 1.10 (once McGlinchey went).
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Exactly but it was still a massive overpay. 5th would have been fine. This is why you don't let a HC call the shots.ArrylT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:10 am The pick used was the 3rd they picked up from Arizona for moving back in the 1st round (from 1.10 to 1.15) - so it is possible they thought of it as 'free money' since a lot of indications seem to suggest they would have taken Miller at 1.10 (once McGlinchey went).
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That "free" pick could have been used a lot more effectively. I was against the trade from the get-go, even before the suspension.
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To be clear, I was on the side of the Raiders overpaying for Martavis pre-suspension, but it was related to his suspension risk, not his talent. Obviously it’s a moot point now, but the reason a 3rd was paid for him was the contract years and salary points I noted earlier.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:52 pmWell yeah. He was a headcase that never put together a full productive season. With how closely these teams guard their draft picks and the value they put on them it wasn't cheap at all for a giant question-mark.
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