Suspect rankings....

[TmoGuru]

How is Kevin White ranked 39th for Wrs? I had a owner offer me a trade involving him saying he is worth a late 1st rd pick??? I dont get it... Maybe I am missing something so some of your thoughts more then welcome.

[clarion contrarion]

39th is in the right area and anyone trying to get a 1st at this point should wear a mask

[Valhalla]

39 is fair. So is a late 1st imo. That range is full of controversial WRs like Lockett, Tyrell Williams, white, Meredith, Pryor, Hill, Crowder, etc. some will argue a mid first for some of these guys. Others will say maybe for a mid-late 2nd. All upside beliefs and the value is volatile based on individual owner belief.

[TmoGuru]

39 is fair. So is a late 1st imo. That range is full of controversial WRs like Lockett, Tyrell Williams, white, Meredith, Pryor, Hill, Crowder, etc. some will argue a mid first for some of these guys. Others will say maybe for a mid-late 2nd. All upside beliefs and the value is volatile based on individual owner belief.

So a guy with a rod in his shine and broken leg? Looked terrible in the short time he did play is worth a mid to late 1st? You take White over any of the players you listed above? Crowder has been great both years in the league! I still dont get it.... I would have White in the 65-80 range. As far as picks no better then a late 2!

[lukkynumber13]

I'm struggling to understand how K. White isn't worth a late 1st? Maybe not to you as a specific owner, but in a general vacuum, he's absolutely worth it.

[Valhalla]

39 is fair. So is a late 1st imo. That range is full of controversial WRs like Lockett, Tyrell Williams, white, Meredith, Pryor, Hill, Crowder, etc. some will argue a mid first for some of these guys. Others will say maybe for a mid-late 2nd. All upside beliefs and the value is volatile based on individual owner belief.

So a guy with a rod in his shine and broken leg? Looked terrible in the short time he did play is worth a mid to late 1st? You take White over any of the players you listed above? Crowder has been great both years in the league! I still dont get it.... I would have White in the 65-80 range. As far as picks no better then a late 2!

I didn't say that I would. I said that that's the going rate right now, so it's fair to say a player valued amongst these other guys I listed could be sold for a late first, and I wouldn't bat an eye at it. I wouldn't invest, but wouldn't be surprised to learn there's a White truther in my league that WILL do that.
I WOULD invest in Tyrell, and maybe Meredith at that price. Some others would say hell no they are only worth a mid second rounder.

[lukkynumber13]

39 is fair. So is a late 1st imo. That range is full of controversial WRs like Lockett, Tyrell Williams, white, Meredith, Pryor, Hill, Crowder, etc. some will argue a mid first for some of these guys. Others will say maybe for a mid-late 2nd. All upside beliefs and the value is volatile based on individual owner belief.

So a guy with a rod in his shine and broken leg? Looked terrible in the short time he did play is worth a mid to late 1st? You take White over any of the players you listed above? Crowder has been great both years in the league! I still dont get it.... I would have White in the 65-80 range. As far as picks no better then a late 2!

He didn't set the world on fire in the very first handful of games of his pro career? Why is that surprising?

[TmoGuru]

39 is fair. So is a late 1st imo. That range is full of controversial WRs like Lockett, Tyrell Williams, white, Meredith, Pryor, Hill, Crowder, etc. some will argue a mid first for some of these guys. Others will say maybe for a mid-late 2nd. All upside beliefs and the value is volatile based on individual owner belief.

So a guy with a rod in his shine and broken leg? Looked terrible in the short time he did play is worth a mid to late 1st? You take White over any of the players you listed above? Crowder has been great both years in the league! I still dont get it.... I would have White in the 65-80 range. As far as picks no better then a late 2!

He didn't set the world on fire in the very first handful of games of his pro career? Why is that surprising?

Didnt need to set the world on fire just play solid with less drops. I mean does the QB situation not play into the equation? Going into year 3 with those injuries and who knows on Glennon is why K. White IS NOT worth a 1st! Tyrell Williams, Crowder, Meredith for sure! How is K. White ranked higher than Meredith when Meredith is the #1 in Chicago! lol

[ninotoreS]

White will already be 25 when the season starts, he looked completely unready to be a starting pro receiver last year when he was playing, and he ultimately played so little that this upcoming season will be like it's still his rookie year.

Taking Valhalla's word for it that "Lockett, Tyrell Williams, Meredith, Pryor, Hill, Crowder" are guys in the same range as White (I haven't looked myself), I will point out that every one of these players have put out vastly better pro game tape than White, to this point in time. Lockett was sensational his rookie year, Williams and Pryor had legitimate breakout seasons, Meredith had four 100 yard games, Hill made All-Pro (basically he did in 2016 what Lockett did in 2015), and Crowder has been an under appreciated baller both of his years in the league.

What can I say that's positive about White, other than his draft pedigree? Which doesn't mean much at this point, going on three seasons removed from it.

I'd balk at trading a 2nd round rookie draft pick for White, much less a 1st. I'd take a flier on him for a 3rd, probably.

[Goirish374]

I'm struggling to sort your internet outrage from your argument.

You believe 39 is too high? That there are other players you'd rather have before Kevin white?

As far as i can tell, this makes you like everyone else--possessed of an opinion. It's unclear to me what you are looking for from those who have a different one.

Rankings are exactly that--someone's assessment. You're free to agree or disagree. In fact, the forum and community at large benefit when you disagree and attach a "why." Its worth noting that even the people who make such rankings for a living disagree with each other regularly. Further: the prime mover in trades happening at all is that people disagree on the value of various players/picks. It's the engine that makes the whole dynasty world go.

Disagreement on the value of a player is not only routine and to be expected, its functionally necessary.

[TmoGuru]

I'm struggling to sort your internet outrage from your argument.

You believe 39 is too high? That there are other players you'd rather have before Kevin white?

As far as i can tell, this makes you like everyone else--possessed of an opinion. It's unclear to me what you are looking for from those who have a different one.

Rankings are exactly that--someone's assessment. You're free to agree or disagree. In fact, the forum and community at large benefit when you disagree and attach a "why." Its worth noting that even the people who make such rankings for a living disagree with each other regularly. Further: the prime mover in trades happening at all is that people disagree on the value of various players/picks. It's the engine that makes the whole dynasty world go.

Disagreement on the value of a player is not only routine and to be expected, its functionally necessary.

Sooooo your opinion on K. White ranked at 39 is?

[Valhalla]

Tmo, I agree Meredith should be more valuable to most drafters than White...but not everyone plays this game the same. Draft pedigree and name recognition means a lot more to some than it does to others. Also, White DID have a stellar measured athleticism (which also means more to some people than others) and also dominated at a higher level in college (which ALSO means more to some than others). I'm open to sitting back, listening to the arguments of why White's potential upside is worth more than Meredith as a #3-4 WR on a roster. I probably won't be swayed and will still side with Meredith, but the upside to White does exist.
Rather than complain about how he's valued more than Meredith...maybe just realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion, realize that if the masses are choosing one way there MUST be some valid logic behind it, and if you still think the logic doesn't exist, maybe go and trade for Meredith instead of complaining about White?

[Valhalla]

I'm struggling to sort your internet outrage from your argument.

You believe 39 is too high? That there are other players you'd rather have before Kevin white?

As far as i can tell, this makes you like everyone else--possessed of an opinion. It's unclear to me what you are looking for from those who have a different one.

Rankings are exactly that--someone's assessment. You're free to agree or disagree. In fact, the forum and community at large benefit when you disagree and attach a "why." Its worth noting that even the people who make such rankings for a living disagree with each other regularly. Further: the prime mover in trades happening at all is that people disagree on the value of various players/picks. It's the engine that makes the whole dynasty world go.

Disagreement on the value of a player is not only routine and to be expected, its functionally necessary.

[TmoGuru]

Tmo, I agree Meredith should be more valuable to most drafters than White...but not everyone plays this game the same. Draft pedigree and name recognition means a lot more to some than it does to others. Also, White DID have a stellar measured athleticism (which also means more to some people than others) and also dominated at a higher level in college (which ALSO means more to some than others). I'm open to sitting back, listening to the arguments of why White's potential upside is worth more than Meredith as a #3-4 WR on a roster. I probably won't be swayed and will still side with Meredith, but the upside to White does exist.
Rather than complain about how he's valued more than Meredith...maybe just realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion, realize that if the masses are choosing one way there MUST be some valid logic behind it, and if you still think the logic doesn't exist, maybe go and trade for Meredith instead of complaining about White?

Sorry some of you took my post as complaining I thought I made it clear I was looking for thoughts an basically different view points. I opened it up to seeing different view points to help me understand. LOL meanwhile I am getting "great advice" on how trading and how the dynasty world works!

[Goirish374]

Probably different from yours and, simultaneously, irrelevant.

My opinion (or, for that matter, yours) doesn't make the rankings suspect.

If anything, it should trigger excitement and opportunity in you. If the ranker has kevin white in a much different place than you do then it stands to reason someone in your league has Kevin white in a much different place than you do.

This is opportunity. This is a difference in value than can be tactically exploited.