1.01 or White+

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.

Pick a side, any side.

Poll ended at Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:30 pm

1.01
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K. White + 1.12 or C. West
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Total votes: 34

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1.01 or White+

Postby operwapitsai » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:30 pm

Team 2

Won it all last year with no-names at RB.
the owner of the 1.01 is in full rebuild and is also the owner of J. Charles.

So the deal would play out as Zeke for White + late 1st OR Charcandrick West


What side and possibly why. Additional pieces that could even it out?
TEAM 1
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QB: J. Allen, D. Watson
RB: T. Gurley, JK Dobbins, M. Ingram, M. Brown, G. Edwards, F. Gore
WR: J. Jefferson, J. Landry, M. Brown, AJ Green, J. Washington
TE: E. Engram, E. Ebron


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12 Team - 26 Roster - .5 PPR - 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FX

QB: J. Herbert, J. Allen
RB: M. Gordon, R. Jones, AJ Dillon, J. McKinnon
WR: K. Allen, B. Cooks, A. Robinson, C. Samuel, J. Jeudy, CD Lamb, D. Johnson
TE: Gronk, Irv Smith, J. Graham

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12 Team - 35 Roster - .5 PPR - IDP(bp) - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF - 2DL 2LB 2DB

QB: A. Rodgers, J. Garoppolo, J. Love
RB: D. Cook, L. Fournette, P. Lindsay, M. Davis, L. Murray
WR: C. Ridley, DJ Moore, T. McLaurin, NC Lamb, K. Cupp, M. Williams, M. Brown
TE: H. Henrey, T. Higbee

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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby dshaw021 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:37 pm

This is fairly close for me, but I think I'd rather have the 1.01 and take Zeke. White has the upside to be great, but he also comes with much more risk. The 1.12 is a nice bridge piece, but in this draft it doesn't hold as much value.

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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby n20 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:29 pm

With your WR core, I think you can take the loss of White's potential and really strength to your much needed RB core with Zeke.

If you agree with this year's draft being weaker, you could offer essentially:
a. White, C West, for 1.01 (Zeke)
b. 1.12 for 2017 second rounder (likely high if rebuilding, 2.01? he'd gain more perceived value to rebuild in 2016)
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RB: Gurley, Freeman | D.Williams, Drake, Breida, Foreman
WR: OBJ, M.Thomas, Juju | Alshon, Godwin, Tre'Quan, Samuel
TE: Howard | Brate, I.Thomas, Higbee

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RB: Conner, Chubb, | D.Williams, A .Jones, Royce, Ballage, Love, B.Anderson
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby ImaRounder » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:41 pm

White is on the end of your bench, make the trade

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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby Parker8 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:41 pm

Agree. Your good at wr and that's much lower than I've seen the 1.01 go got... MUCH LOWER
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RB: Le'Veon Bell, Devonta Freeman ,Mark Ingram, Rex Burkhead, Danny Woodhead
WR: DeAndre Hopkins, Brandin Cooks, Dez Bryant, Sammy Watkins, Josh Gordon, John Brown, Devin Funchess, Terrelle Pryor & Cameron Meredith
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WR: Allen Robinson, Robby Anderson, Corey Coleman, Jordan Matthews, Josh Gordon & Josh Reynolds
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby DonBrazi » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:45 am

I think it's a horrible idea to move White for less than value simply because you have a lot of depth. Maybe come September and doing so dramatically boosts your expected weekly points. But it's March... way too early to trade for expected need.

White is easily as talented as any player in this year's draft, so adding a 1st to him seems like a hefty overpay to me.
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby HEADBANGER » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:41 am

To get Zeke (a RB you really need) giving up White and 1.12 seems about right. I say go for it and good luck.
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby HEADBANGER » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:47 am

DonBrazi wrote:I think it's a horrible idea to move White for less than value simply because you have a lot of depth. Maybe come September and doing so dramatically boosts your expected weekly points. But it's March... way too early to trade for expected need.

White is easily as talented as any player in this year's draft, so adding a 1st to him seems like a hefty overpay to me.

How is this a hefty overpay? This would be 1.1 (Zeke for need and to me is BPA) for White (1.3 or 1.4 last year) and 1.12 which is a total crap shoot. Value wise this is pretty legit OR C West to the Charles owner since is a bench player for the OP. White only jumped up the board last year due to the combine and landing spot, not for his proven college production which was basically one solid year.
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby HawkeyeState » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:52 am

White and 1.12 for me.
I have White in the 1.02 conversation if he was in this years class and I feel I can fairly confidently predict a nice breakout for him this year.

Now if it was White and Charcandrick, I think I would want Zeke.
Zeke I have slightly ahead of White and IMO West is just a wasted roster spot at this point.
See if you can get a early 3rd thrown on to the 1.01 side and slam accept that if you can get it.

I voted in the poll for the White 1.12 side assuming that was the deal but if you can do it with West instead of 1.12 I would side the other with 1.01
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Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
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Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
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Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby DonBrazi » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:28 pm

HEADBANGER wrote:How is this a hefty overpay? This would be 1.1 (Zeke for need and to me is BPA) for White (1.3 or 1.4 last year) and 1.12 which is a total crap shoot. Value wise this is pretty legit OR C West to the Charles owner since is a bench player for the OP. White only jumped up the board last year due to the combine and landing spot, not for his proven college production which was basically one solid year.
In my opinion, were White in this year's class, he would very much be in the conversation for the 1.01, if not the clear 1.01. Even if he was the 1.02 behind Elliot (whom I'm not sure is the 1.01, even), it'd be an overpay to me.

I don't think the combine pushed White up the board last year. He was the consensus 1.03 before the combine and was in the conversation for the 1.01 after it, but still went as the 1.03 in the end.. Further, Zeke only has one solid year under his belt as well (ok, ok.. plus 3 games to end 2014). Not sure that's a good argument against White in this case.
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ARob, Sutton, ODB, Parker, Ruggs, Miller, Boykin
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby dblj1199 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:30 pm

dshaw_021 wrote:This is fairly close for me, but I think I'd rather have the 1.01 and take Zeke. White has the upside to be great, but he also comes with much more risk. The 1.12 is a nice bridge piece, but in this draft it doesn't hold as much value.
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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby operwapitsai » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:11 pm

Thanks for the input guys!
TEAM 1
12 Team - 35 Roster - .5 PPR - IDP(bp) - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FX - 2DL 2LB 2DB 1FX

QB: J. Allen, D. Watson
RB: T. Gurley, JK Dobbins, M. Ingram, M. Brown, G. Edwards, F. Gore
WR: J. Jefferson, J. Landry, M. Brown, AJ Green, J. Washington
TE: E. Engram, E. Ebron


TEAM 2
12 Team - 26 Roster - .5 PPR - 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FX

QB: J. Herbert, J. Allen
RB: M. Gordon, R. Jones, AJ Dillon, J. McKinnon
WR: K. Allen, B. Cooks, A. Robinson, C. Samuel, J. Jeudy, CD Lamb, D. Johnson
TE: Gronk, Irv Smith, J. Graham

TEAM 3
12 Team - 35 Roster - .5 PPR - IDP(bp) - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF - 2DL 2LB 2DB

QB: A. Rodgers, J. Garoppolo, J. Love
RB: D. Cook, L. Fournette, P. Lindsay, M. Davis, L. Murray
WR: C. Ridley, DJ Moore, T. McLaurin, NC Lamb, K. Cupp, M. Williams, M. Brown
TE: H. Henrey, T. Higbee

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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby operwapitsai » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:14 pm

dshaw_021 wrote:This is fairly close for me, but I think I'd rather have the 1.01 and take Zeke. White has the upside to be great, but he also comes with much more risk. The 1.12 is a nice bridge piece, but in this draft it doesn't hold as much value.

What makes you think White is more risky than Zeke?
White is a top 10 pick at WR, a much more reliable position, and top 10 picks at WR tend to pan out relatively well.

Zeke hasn't even been drafted yet?...

I can agree with the 1.12 reasoning though.
TEAM 1
12 Team - 35 Roster - .5 PPR - IDP(bp) - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FX - 2DL 2LB 2DB 1FX

QB: J. Allen, D. Watson
RB: T. Gurley, JK Dobbins, M. Ingram, M. Brown, G. Edwards, F. Gore
WR: J. Jefferson, J. Landry, M. Brown, AJ Green, J. Washington
TE: E. Engram, E. Ebron


TEAM 2
12 Team - 26 Roster - .5 PPR - 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FX

QB: J. Herbert, J. Allen
RB: M. Gordon, R. Jones, AJ Dillon, J. McKinnon
WR: K. Allen, B. Cooks, A. Robinson, C. Samuel, J. Jeudy, CD Lamb, D. Johnson
TE: Gronk, Irv Smith, J. Graham

TEAM 3
12 Team - 35 Roster - .5 PPR - IDP(bp) - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF - 2DL 2LB 2DB

QB: A. Rodgers, J. Garoppolo, J. Love
RB: D. Cook, L. Fournette, P. Lindsay, M. Davis, L. Murray
WR: C. Ridley, DJ Moore, T. McLaurin, NC Lamb, K. Cupp, M. Williams, M. Brown
TE: H. Henrey, T. Higbee

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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby operwapitsai » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:23 pm

HawkeyeState wrote:White and 1.12 for me.
I have White in the 1.02 conversation if he was in this years class and I feel I can fairly confidently predict a nice breakout for him this year.

Now if it was White and Charcandrick, I think I would want Zeke.
Zeke I have slightly ahead of White and IMO West is just a wasted roster spot at this point.
See if you can get a early 3rd thrown on to the 1.01 side and slam accept that if you can get it.

I voted in the poll for the White 1.12 side assuming that was the deal but if you can do it with West instead of 1.12 I would side the other with 1.01
DonBrazi wrote:I think it's a horrible idea to move White for less than value simply because you have a lot of depth. Maybe come September and doing so dramatically boosts your expected weekly points. But it's March... way too early to trade for expected need.

White is easily as talented as any player in this year's draft, so adding a 1st to him seems like a hefty overpay to me.

I value both of your opinions pretty highly around here. Its interesting you are the 2 most in favor of the White side.

I figured I was losing a bit of value in this trade, but there is not much use in having 6/7 startable WRs with only 3 possible starting spots. Especially when I can't really rely on any one of my available RBs.


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TEAM 1
12 Team - 35 Roster - .5 PPR - IDP(bp) - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FX - 2DL 2LB 2DB 1FX

QB: J. Allen, D. Watson
RB: T. Gurley, JK Dobbins, M. Ingram, M. Brown, G. Edwards, F. Gore
WR: J. Jefferson, J. Landry, M. Brown, AJ Green, J. Washington
TE: E. Engram, E. Ebron


TEAM 2
12 Team - 26 Roster - .5 PPR - 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FX

QB: J. Herbert, J. Allen
RB: M. Gordon, R. Jones, AJ Dillon, J. McKinnon
WR: K. Allen, B. Cooks, A. Robinson, C. Samuel, J. Jeudy, CD Lamb, D. Johnson
TE: Gronk, Irv Smith, J. Graham

TEAM 3
12 Team - 35 Roster - .5 PPR - IDP(bp) - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF - 2DL 2LB 2DB

QB: A. Rodgers, J. Garoppolo, J. Love
RB: D. Cook, L. Fournette, P. Lindsay, M. Davis, L. Murray
WR: C. Ridley, DJ Moore, T. McLaurin, NC Lamb, K. Cupp, M. Williams, M. Brown
TE: H. Henrey, T. Higbee

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Re: 1.01 or White+

Postby Draft Master » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:22 pm

if White was coming out of this years draft, maybe he would be the 1.01 ?


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