You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby maxhyde » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:20 am

dlf_mikeh wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:10 pm
maxhyde wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:46 amPretty harsh criticism after only a few carries and a missed block on a blitzing top 15 draft pick
He's been in the league for over a year. I have another thread somewhere detailing a good 10 plays or so that he messed up either last year or in the NCAA. If you watch his "highlights", all he did was outrun opponents (for the most part) and that's usually a sure sign of a future bust. There was one sweet run he had that gave me a moment of pause, so I'll give him that.

This isn't a "few carries", just more of the same. I'm trying one last time to persuade anyone who will listen to bail while some people still have hope.
1st year in a new offense? Offensive line calls probably changed along with the playbook no?

He has less carries in his career than some guys get in a game so maybe "a few" is different for us. Hardly think he is a seasoned 2nd year player with touches in 6 of the 9 games he played in. Anyway I am not even defending Jones at this point just saying the evidence for your conclusion is pretty weak for a 22yr old pro athlete with a career that has barely started.

I mean I barely own the guy over my 15 leagues but I'll add him in any for a 2nd...I haven't seen enough to write him off yet
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby MEuRaH » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:06 pm

maxhyde wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:20 amHe has less carries in his career than some guys get in a game so maybe "a few" is different for us. Hardly think he is a seasoned 2nd year player with touches in 6 of the 9 games he played in. Anyway I am not even defending Jones at this point just saying the evidence for your conclusion is pretty weak for a 22yr old pro athlete with a career that has barely started.
My arguments are meant to be considered "by comparison".

Do you know how many players came into the league around his age and started performing at a high level? Hundreds I'm sure. Everyone wants to use his age as an excuse, but somehow that's not used as excuse for anybody else.

RB is the easiest NFL position to learn. You've probably heard that before. There is a video somewhere (can't find it) of Peyton Manning telling his new RB what to do before each and every play. Didn't even need to practice with the team. That's how easy it is. Know what to do, know where to go, the rest is skill, talent, and instinct.

His main competitor is Peyton Barber. Barber is considered the worst starting RB in the league. All RoJo has to do is play slightly better than the worst starting RB in the league to even get half the carries. He can't do it.

So we're talking about a kid who plays the easist-to-learn position, drafted to a team that's weak at RB, and he couldn't crack the lineup in 2018. Jacquizz Rodgers had more carries than he did in 2018. Hell, RYAN FITZPATRICK had more carries.

And somehow all of this factual information and video evidence shown to you is not enough to persuade you to get rid of him in 100% of your leagues? He's not getting any better. I haven't seen one run that's an improvement over last year, but I've seen half-a-dozen plays that mirror last years performance.

Oof... you're going down with the ship my friend. :P
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby TB3falcons » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:27 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:25 pm I don't see it with Jones or Barber. I think it's safe to say that TB will be drafting or signing an RB in 2020. Both players are on borrowed time and look extremely mediocre.
100% agree, but there’s going to be someone in this backfield that could approach low end RB2/high end RB3 numbers this season.
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DT- CJones, Ogunjobi, Kinlaw
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:57 pm

Speaking of Peyton and RB... Dammit Donald!

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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby IBall2 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:01 pm

Rojo, more like Slojo. Just picked up Dare Ogunbowale for free from WW. He's running with the 1st team offense this week while slojo fixes his flat tire.

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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby ninotoreS » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:59 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:09 am This is the same stuff I'm finding & talking about. What a horrible run.
Blueboy wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:25 am Wow, that's a bad run.
Incidentally, that clip serves as an example of why the 'all 22' camera angle is needed to evaluate running-back tape accurately. Only viewed from the side, most people would think that was a fine run, and wouldn't see how Jones squandered a great second-level block.


Anyway, here's a photo of the apparent moment Jones was injured: https://twitter.com/ODonnellFox13/statu ... 3765130241. Here's a video clip: https://twitter.com/LazyDave100/status/ ... 3990901760. Ouch.
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby Orenthal Shames » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:17 am

IBall2 wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:01 pm Rojo, more like Slojo. Just picked up Dare Ogunbowale for free from WW. He's running with the 1st team offense this week while slojo fixes his flat tire.
Same. There are worse fliers to roster.
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby Pullo Vision » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:04 pm

Bigger bust- Kevin White or Ronald Jones?
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:05 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:04 pm Bigger bust- Kevin White or Ronald Jones?
I think Jones had more detractors

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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby TB3falcons » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:57 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:04 pm Bigger bust- Kevin White or Ronald Jones?
Unless RoJo turns it around, then it's gotta be him. At least with White it was mainly injuries keeping him off the field. Can't control injuries
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby ArrylT » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:17 pm

TB3falcons wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:57 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:04 pm Bigger bust- Kevin White or Ronald Jones?
Unless RoJo turns it around, then it's gotta be him. At least with White it was mainly injuries keeping him off the field. Can't control injuries
Phew at least one owner is still unaware of my injur-an-opponents-player-matic 2000. 8-)
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby koalabear » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:30 pm

Can't even sell him for a 2020 3rd. Have one counter-offer of a 2020 4th.

Might take it, what a bust.
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby MEuRaH » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:31 am

koalabear wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:30 pm Can't even sell him for a 2020 3rd. Have one counter-offer of a 2020 4th.

Might take it, what a bust.
Nah. I'd hold at that price.

He'll get one lucky play during the season and everyone will think he's back and be worth a 3rd at least.

Can you combine him with a 3rd and try to get a 2nd?
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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby Johnny B. Goode » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:32 am

TB3falcons wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:27 pm
Cameron Giles wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:25 pm I don't see it with Jones or Barber. I think it's safe to say that TB will be drafting or signing an RB in 2020. Both players are on borrowed time and look extremely mediocre.
100% agree, but there’s going to be someone in this backfield that could approach low end RB2/high end RB3 numbers this season.
And he's been mentioned once in this thread :wink:
at least for ppr leagues

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Re: You Can Trade Away RoJo Now... Last Chance?

Postby koalabear » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:03 am

dlf_mikeh wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:31 am
koalabear wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:30 pm Can't even sell him for a 2020 3rd. Have one counter-offer of a 2020 4th.

Might take it, what a bust.
Nah. I'd hold at that price.

He'll get one lucky play during the season and everyone will think he's back and be worth a 3rd at least.

Can you combine him with a 3rd and try to get a 2nd?
I tried a few combos but eventually settled for a 3rd. This is in a rebuild, won't be competing for a season or two and can't see RoJo staying in the league for very long.

Took him at 1.07 in last year's rookie draft, which contributed to me being in a rebuild :)
1. 12 team 1pt PPR. Start 1 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, 1-2 TE. Yr 7
QB: Murray, Stafford
RB: Dobbins, Sanders, Pearce
WR: Jefferson, Burks, JuJu
TE: Goedert, Everett
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

2. 12 team 1pt PPR. Start 1 QB, 2-4 RB, 3-5 WR, 1-3 TE. Yr 6.
QB: Jackson, Allen
RB: Akers, CEH
WR: Chase, M Brown, Pittman, M Williams
TE: Tonyan, Hooper
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

3. 12 team superflex, PPR (WR/RB/TE 1/1.25/1.5). Start 1-2 QB, 1-7 RB, WR, TE. Yr 5.
QB: Jackson, Prescott, Brady
RB: Singletary, Harris
WR: Jefferson, Adams, Burks, Evans, Lockett
TE: Hockenson
2023: 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th


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