NFL Gambling - Does the second shoe drop?

[remedy29]

Why can't players gamble on non NFL sports? Why are there any restrictions, and who the heck is tracking the whereabouts they placed a non NFL bet. I'd be pretty piss if my employer was tracking my actions through my phone or what ever other means.
They should be allowed to gamble on non NFL sports or not. Eliminate the ambiguity.

[ericanadian]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/06/30/new-e ... uspensions

It was also reported on Thursday that Rodgers made a $1,000 prop bet on the over/under on rushing yards by a Colts running back—his teammate—which won. As reported earlier this month by Sports Illustrated’s Conor Orr, Rodgers made “hundreds of bets”, which were allegedly funneled through an account without his name on it to try to avoid detection.

yeah, it really looks like rodgers had no idea about the betting rules.

Rodgers is clearly an idiot. I don’t think anyone is defending him on an individual level.

[Pullo Vision]

Why can't players gamble on non NFL sports? Why are there any restrictions, and who the heck is tracking the whereabouts they placed a non NFL bet. I'd be pretty piss if my employer was tracking my actions through my phone or what ever other means.
They should be allowed to gamble on non NFL sports or not. Eliminate the ambiguity.

There was an article posted in one of these betting discussions, maybe this thread. Put simply the NFL has an arrangement with various betting sites that track the activity of NFL employees on their platforms.

[FantasyFreak]

I am confused by the double standard. If a player takes a substance that is banned by the league unknowingly, they are held to a standard of your body your responsibility. However, breaking a gambling policy out of ignorance isn't their fault? It really doesn't matter if you agree with the policy, when you sign your contract you agree to the terms.

The double standard is double the double

First, the banned substances are banned 100%. Gambling is not a complete ban. It's only a ban in certain situations. It's understandable that someone might "hear" only the part that not all gambling is banned, and fail to pay attention to the details. Understandable, but they should still be held accountable.

Second, the NFL doesn't promote banned substances. However, the NFL not only accepts advertising money from gambling operations, it actually partners with gambling operations, to the point where players share in the money generated from said partnerships. That's a huge double standard.

Always hold the players accountable in situations with substances or gambling, but we can't pretend one side is virtuous and the "perpetrators" are villains.

I understand your point, but I don't think anybody is considering one side virtuous. The more teams make on gambling, the more it will get back to players, in contracts, though. The more money the NFL makes, the better it is for players. If they want different rules, they have to push for it in the CBA. They signed up for this.

Agreed that banned substances are different, and you're reasoning.

[FantasyFreak]

Why can't players gamble on non NFL sports? Why are there any restrictions, and who the heck is tracking the whereabouts they placed a non NFL bet. I'd be pretty piss if my employer was tracking my actions through my phone or what ever other means.
They should be allowed to gamble on non NFL sports or not. Eliminate the ambiguity.

There's pretty obvious reasons for not allowing gambling at team sites. It's to discourage groups of players gambling together, as a form of social interaction, because it would lead to problems of addiction, it would allow situations where players are sitting around wagering as a habit, and social bonding, and they don't want players to be sucked in by way of peer pressure, or to fit in etc. Rookies, guys with less experience, all kinds of bad things can happen, with peer pressure etc. Gambling is very addictive, and there's an inherent risk with a player who loses large sums of money on gambling, that he might be compromised to make up for his gambling debts.

Again, there's really not a lot of ambiguity, it's not hard to know, or find out when and where it's permitted, and when and where it's not. It shouldn't come as a surprise to any player. They signed up for it, so they shouldn't be pissed. Maybe pissed that they got caught, but not pissed at the NFL, the time for that would have been when the NFLPA was working on the CBA.

[FantasyFreak]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/06/30/new-e ... uspensions

It was also reported on Thursday that Rodgers made a $1,000 prop bet on the over/under on rushing yards by a Colts running back—his teammate—which won. As reported earlier this month by Sports Illustrated’s Conor Orr, Rodgers made “hundreds of bets”, which were allegedly funneled through an account without his name on it to try to avoid detection.

yeah, it really looks like rodgers had no idea about the betting rules.

Rodgers is clearly an idiot. I don’t think anyone is defending him on an individual level.

I think it stands to reason his NFL career is over. Can't see him being re-instated, considering the circumstances.

[Ice]

Why can't players gamble on non NFL sports? Why are there any restrictions, and who the heck is tracking the whereabouts they placed a non NFL bet. I'd be pretty piss if my employer was tracking my actions through my phone or what ever other means.
They should be allowed to gamble on non NFL sports or not. Eliminate the ambiguity.

Or how about the idiots follow the actual rules.

It’s no different than a company that doesn’t allow one to access websites on their computers as but one example.

You or players can always opt out and choose a different career.

This isn’t hard. BTW, Players can gamble on non NFL sports just no gambling of any kind on team property.

There is not ambiguity but stupidity is probably a better word for these players that should know better but then again entitlement issues could also be a factor.

[Bronco Billy]

Why can't players gamble on non NFL sports? Why are there any restrictions, and who the heck is tracking the whereabouts they placed a non NFL bet. I'd be pretty piss if my employer was tracking my actions through my phone or what ever other means.
They should be allowed to gamble on non NFL sports or not. Eliminate the ambiguity.

Players can bet on all other sports beside the NFL. They just can’t bet in the workplace - probably like most others in other vocations would be sanctioned by their company if they were caught betting rather than working.

Not seeing what the problem is. Especially since the NFLPA agrees with the league on this. Sounds like some are getting spun up just to get themselves spun up on this.

[remedy29]

Why can't players gamble on non NFL sports? Why are there any restrictions, and who the heck is tracking the whereabouts they placed a non NFL bet. I'd be pretty piss if my employer was tracking my actions through my phone or what ever other means.
They should be allowed to gamble on non NFL sports or not. Eliminate the ambiguity.

Players can bet on all other sports beside the NFL. They just can’t bet in the workplace - probably like most others in other vocations would be sanctioned by their company if they were caught betting rather than working.

Not seeing what the problem is. Especially since the NFLPA agrees with the league on this. Sounds like some are getting spun up just to get themselves spun up on this.

Sports are not like businesses, why compare them? And besides if you or I or anyone placed 1 bet on your phone at work, you would not be sanctioned from your company. And if a player violated team rules, and that team wanted to sanction the player, fine. Thats not what happening here, the NFL is handling the suspensions.

My bigger issue is how are they being tracked? Many people are concerned with their online activity being tracked. Someone mentioned the NFL has an agreement with the betting sites. Still, I find that highly wrong, not tracking online activity of what bets they are making, but tracking the whereabouts that bet was placed and then informing the NFL for the sole purpose of suspending the player (for the non NFL sports bets).

You mentioned that the NFLPA agrees with the NFL on this, are you sure?
Per;
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootba ... nfl-sports

The NFL unilaterally crafted the gambling policy, as part of the Commissioner’s authority to protect the integrity of the game. The NFL Players Association has conceded that point. There is no bargaining to be had; the Commissioner makes the rules.

And in regards to the confusion on whats allowed and where;

Petit-Frere said Thursday, "The betting I engaged in was NOT NFL related and was legal under Tennessee law. It is only being sanctioned because it occurred at the Titans facility.

"I want to apologize to my family, coaches, teammates and the Titans fans. I have always strived in every stage of my life to follow the rules. I did not knowingly break the rules. Even after attending a league presentation, I was unaware about the specifics around placing bets from a team facility.

My comment was it should be allowed or not allowed. Non players are not allowed to bet on any sports, anywhere. NFL players, and their deep, are allowed, mainly so they bet big money and fund the betting sites with their loses, so they and the NFL can profit from them. This is the NFL's version of integrity.

[FantasyFreak]

"I want to apologize to my family, coaches, teammates and the Titans fans. I have always strived in every stage of my life to follow the rules. I did not knowingly break the rules. Even after attending a league presentation, I was unaware about the specifics around placing bets from a team facility.

My comment was it should be allowed or not allowed. Non players are not allowed to bet on any sports, anywhere. NFL players, and their deep, are allowed, mainly so they bet big money and fund the betting sites with their loses, so they and the NFL can profit from them. This is the NFL's version of integrity.

He should know, I don't buy it, personally, or he wasn't paying attention, or didn't process it. It's the same type of apology some guy makes after getting PED suspension, he was "unaware". Call me skeptical. Everyone else seems to know.

Also, the more the NFL profits, the more the players do, so it works for the players too. The reasons for not having them gamble at the team facility are obvious, as I stated earlier, but why prevent them from doing it all the time? Why does it have to be so absolute? I mean, I guess if coaches can't gamble on any sports, you could hold them to that too, and ultimately, the NFL may decide that's the best course of action, but that would be for the next CBA, I would think.

[Bronco Billy]

Why can't players gamble on non NFL sports? Why are there any restrictions, and who the heck is tracking the whereabouts they placed a non NFL bet. I'd be pretty piss if my employer was tracking my actions through my phone or what ever other means.
They should be allowed to gamble on non NFL sports or not. Eliminate the ambiguity.

Players can bet on all other sports beside the NFL. They just can’t bet in the workplace - probably like most others in other vocations would be sanctioned by their company if they were caught betting rather than working.

Not seeing what the problem is. Especially since the NFLPA agrees with the league on this. Sounds like some are getting spun up just to get themselves spun up on this.

Sports are not like businesses, why compare them? And besides if you or I or anyone placed 1 bet on your phone at work, you would not be sanctioned from your company. And if a player violated team rules, and that team wanted to sanction the player, fine. Thats not what happening here, the NFL is handling the suspensions.

My bigger issue is how are they being tracked? Many people are concerned with their online activity being tracked. Someone mentioned the NFL has an agreement with the betting sites. Still, I find that highly wrong, not tracking online activity of what bets they are making, but tracking the whereabouts that bet was placed and then informing the NFL for the sole purpose of suspending the player (for the non NFL sports bets).

You mentioned that the NFLPA agrees with the NFL on this, are you sure?
Per;
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootba ... nfl-sports

The NFL unilaterally crafted the gambling policy, as part of the Commissioner’s authority to protect the integrity of the game. The NFL Players Association has conceded that point. There is no bargaining to be had; the Commissioner makes the rules.

And in regards to the confusion on whats allowed and where;

Petit-Frere said Thursday, "The betting I engaged in was NOT NFL related and was legal under Tennessee law. It is only being sanctioned because it occurred at the Titans facility.

"I want to apologize to my family, coaches, teammates and the Titans fans. I have always strived in every stage of my life to follow the rules. I did not knowingly break the rules. Even after attending a league presentation, I was unaware about the specifics around placing bets from a team facility.

My comment was it should be allowed or not allowed. Non players are not allowed to bet on any sports, anywhere. NFL players, and their deep, are allowed, mainly so they bet big money and fund the betting sites with their loses, so they and the NFL can profit from them. This is the NFL's version of integrity.

Now at least I’m seeing where you are basing a lot of your opinions. If Florio is your voice of reason and well of wisdom there’s no point in further exchange.

I just have to address a couple of your points and I’’ll move on:

The NFL is a business. A massively successful business. To say it is not like a business indicates a fundamental misconception that makes your flight down your various rabbit holes more understandable. Allowing sports betting sponsorship brings huge revenues into the league, and by contract the players get a cut of those revenues as part of the salary cap. The NFLPA and the players are profiting significantly from that partnership just like the league is. I wonder why the NFLPA “conceded”?

Just because something is legal by state law does not mean that a business has to allow it. Is drinking alcohol legal for those over 21 in your state? Well shoot, then everyone ought to be able to drink anywhere they want, including the workplace, right?

And lastly, just a point of curiosity, if the NFL were actually attempting to enrich the sports betting services by allowing players to engage in gambling as some form of payback, wouldn’t it be encouraging players to gamble anywhere and everywhere rather than imposing restrictions, punishing those who break the very few gambling rules in place, and trying to educate the players from pissing away their earnings betting on sports? Is the NFL coercing or encouraging player participation in gambling in any way other than allowing them to use their own discretion as to whether they engage in gambling?

Your dog don’t hunt.

[Pullo Vision]

For those who haven't seen the article- https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/374 ... violations

Additionally, companies, including NFL partner U.S. Integrity, are developing platforms aimed at tracking bets placed by prohibited individuals such as players and coaches. Leagues or teams would provide a list of prohibited bettors to the platforms, which would then be shared with sportsbooks. If a prohibited bettor attempts to wager, the technology flags it...

NFL personnel, which includes league-office employees, team employees, players, owners, coaches, trainers, officials, security and stadium workers, among others, are prohibited from "placing, soliciting or facilitating any bet, whether directly or through a third party," on any NFL game, practice or other league event, such as the draft or combine.

For reference.

[ericanadian]

For those who haven't seen the article- https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/374 ... violations

Additionally, companies, including NFL partner U.S. Integrity, are developing platforms aimed at tracking bets placed by prohibited individuals such as players and coaches. Leagues or teams would provide a list of prohibited bettors to the platforms, which would then be shared with sportsbooks. If a prohibited bettor attempts to wager, the technology flags it...

NFL personnel, which includes league-office employees, team employees, players, owners, coaches, trainers, officials, security and stadium workers, among others, are prohibited from "placing, soliciting or facilitating any bet, whether directly or through a third party," on any NFL game, practice or other league event, such as the draft or combine.

For reference.

Why not just have the sites block the bets, give the player a warning when they make the attempt and move on?

[Bronco Billy]

For those who haven't seen the article- https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/374 ... violations

For reference.

Why not just have the sites block the bets, give the player a warning when they make the attempt and move on?

Because that removes the choice. There’s a difference between being told the rules and then choosing whether or not to follow them, and not having the choice.

[Gazzerk]

For those who haven't seen the article- https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/374 ... violations

For reference.

Why not just have the sites block the bets, give the player a warning when they make the attempt and move on?

Apparently there are also instances where players have a friend or family member place bets for them which would make it very clear that they know what they’re doing. I’m curious how they would even find out that happened and how they could prove it but I’m sure they have their ways.