Michael Thomas Thread: Still a WR1?

[mild]

Has anybody seen Thomas moved lately? What was the deal?

He moved -extremely- cheaply in my SF league the other week after the news. Borderline throw-in price. I hated it.

Elijah Moore, 1st, 2nd, 3rd
For
Etienne and MT

[smbkrypt24]

I think even Michael Thomas would rather read about reasons for concern over his future than read this HIPAA argument.

Agreed. I don’t know what inspires people to continue to reiterate these demonstrably incorrect ideas for pages after they’ve been demonstrated to be incorrect. Just give it up.

As for Thomas- earlier this off-season I thought he was a sneaky buy given what the volume of the offense might look like with Jameis. Nobody would sell him. Now, with Taysom Hill looking like he’s actually competing for the job and the ankle surgery, he’s extraordinarily risky. I think he might just be a sell-low rather than a hold. If you can still get a good second year WR in that Viska-Jeudy-Claypool-Aiyuk-Higgins tier, I’d accept that.

Regarding the Saints situation- does anybody think Taysom Hill actually wins/keeps this job? I have to imagine that would be a huge drag on Kamara, Tre’Quan, and Trautman. Have any of you been buying any parts of this offense?

Funny you post this. Just got offered:
M. Thomas, G. Davis
For
Claypool, Guice

I declined because of Thomas’ character concerns, age, and lingering ankle issues.

[FantasyFreak]

There’s no question the talent is there - he’s fully proven that already.

While I agree with much of your post, this statement sticks out. If he had fuly proven it, he would not have had to sign a 1 year prove it deal. Jameis has yet to sign the paperwork to call himself a starting NFL QB.

Winston threw for 5,109 passing yards in a single season. Only 4 players in the history of the NFL have thrown for more. To say he has the talent to be a quality starter is pretty much a given. A QB doesn’t accidentally accomplish that in spite of the lack of talent that he has.

The kid is smart and is as hard and dedicated a worker as there is in the league. His problem has been his decision making in game situations and his lack of maturity - which is downright alarming at times. Good coaching could alleviate the former, and just growing the **** up could alleviate the latter (which sitting on a bench for a year combined with a strong role model and some good coaching just might turn the tide). Maybe not, but I can’t understand how the level of talent is disputable.

Don't buy that at all (in bold). We aren't around all players and have limited access to things. Jameis has "talent", in terms of throwing a ball. I agree, he's terrible at making in game decisions. He's also been terrible making decisions outside of the football field. In fact, even last year his "dancing with W's" routine cost the Saints a draft pick. Jameis is just not going to be a long term starter again, IMO. I'm going to die on that hill, if necessary. The NFL has clearly shown they feel the same way, and unless he has some Tannehill type turnaround, without the mobility he possesses, he's destined to be a backup.

[FantasyFreak]

There’s no question the talent is there - he’s fully proven that already.

While I agree with much of your post, this statement sticks out. If he had fuly proven it, he would not have had to sign a 1 year prove it deal. Jameis has yet to sign the paperwork to call himself a starting NFL QB.

Twice.

[FiremanEd]

Drawing a blank. How did his "dancing with W's" routine cost the Saints a draft pick?

[FantasyFreak]

Drawing a blank. How did his "dancing with W's" routine cost the Saints a draft pick?

It broke Covid protocols. Winston was filmed without a mask when he was supposed to have one, it went to the public, and the NFL took away a pick. Admittedly the player who filmed it should also be called a bonehead for posting it. It was also all of them. It just seemed to be that Winston was doing an act, and that's what spurred the video to start recording. They were all to blame, but he was front and center. I will also say that's ultimately on Payton. However it's just another bad thing on the resume for Jameis. Ultimately, I do believe the Saints reset next year at QB, in accordance with the cap alleviation, and at a lot of positions. They will need to rebuild a bit very soon IMO.

[Bronco Billy]

Drawing a blank. How did his "dancing with W's" routine cost the Saints a draft pick?

It broke Covid protocols. Winston was filmed without a mask when he was supposed to have one, it went to the public, and the NFL took away a pick. Admittedly the player who filmed it should also be called a bonehead for posting it. It was also all of them. It just seemed to be that Winston was doing an act, and that's what spurred the video to start recording. They were all to blame, but he was front and center. I will also say that's ultimately on Payton. However it's just another bad thing on the resume for Jameis. Ultimately, I do believe the Saints reset next year at QB, in accordance with the cap alleviation, and at a lot of positions. They will need to rebuild a bit very soon IMO.

Multiple vids were posted that were taken by at least 3 different Saints, and several players were pictured celebrating while not wearing masks. Completely disingenuous to hang that on just Winston or to say he was leading it, but hey some people mold the story to fit their narrative.

[FantasyFreak]

Drawing a blank. How did his "dancing with W's" routine cost the Saints a draft pick?

It broke Covid protocols. Winston was filmed without a mask when he was supposed to have one, it went to the public, and the NFL took away a pick. Admittedly the player who filmed it should also be called a bonehead for posting it. It was also all of them. It just seemed to be that Winston was doing an act, and that's what spurred the video to start recording. They were all to blame, but he was front and center. I will also say that's ultimately on Payton. However it's just another bad thing on the resume for Jameis. Ultimately, I do believe the Saints reset next year at QB, in accordance with the cap alleviation, and at a lot of positions. They will need to rebuild a bit very soon IMO.

Multiple vids were posted that were taken by at least 3 different Saints, and several players were pictured celebrating while not wearing masks. Completely disingenuous to hang that on just Winston or to say he was leading it, but hey some people mold the story to fit their narrative.

I was overly exaggerating his involvment with his "dancing with W's", admittedly, in my original post. That's why I later clarified. The vid I saw, it was Winston front an centre doing an exaggerated dance. I assumed of course, that the guy filming saw it, and started filming. He was involved, but it was on Payton, as I said, and all the other players, which I also said. Molding a story to fit my narrative? It's really no different to you saying he's as hard a worker as there is in the NFL with absolutely nothing to back it to fit yours. Winston is a dullard IMO. Even without this situation. He's also not a starting level QB in the NFL. You obviously disagree, and that's fine. I don't want to beat a dead horse. Will try and steer this back to MT in future.

[Shoreline Steamers]

So he went from "Eating a W" to "Dancing with a W"? I hadn't seen the 2nd video, but I'm sure I can imagine what that must have looked like.

[Jfever]

It broke Covid protocols. Winston was filmed without a mask when he was supposed to have one, it went to the public, and the NFL took away a pick. Admittedly the player who filmed it should also be called a bonehead for posting it. It was also all of them. It just seemed to be that Winston was doing an act, and that's what spurred the video to start recording. They were all to blame, but he was front and center. I will also say that's ultimately on Payton. However it's just another bad thing on the resume for Jameis. Ultimately, I do believe the Saints reset next year at QB, in accordance with the cap alleviation, and at a lot of positions. They will need to rebuild a bit very soon IMO.

Multiple vids were posted that were taken by at least 3 different Saints, and several players were pictured celebrating while not wearing masks. Completely disingenuous to hang that on just Winston or to say he was leading it, but hey some people mold the story to fit their narrative.

I was overly exaggerating his involvment with his "dancing with W's", admittedly, in my original post. That's why I later clarified. The vid I saw, it was Winston front an centre doing an exaggerated dance. I assumed of course, that the guy filming saw it, and started filming. He was involved, but it was on Payton, as I said, and all the other players, which I also said. Molding a story to fit my narrative? It's really no different to you saying he's as hard a worker as there is in the NFL with absolutely nothing to back it to fit yours. Winston is a dullard IMO. Even without this situation. He's also not a starting level QB in the NFL. You obviously disagree, and that's fine. I don't want to beat a dead horse. Will try and steer this back to MT in future.

You showed more patience here than I would have. Well done.

[frerichs5]

Has anybody seen Thomas moved lately? What was the deal?

He moved -extremely- cheaply in my SF league the other week after the news. Borderline throw-in price. I hated it.

Elijah Moore, 1st, 2nd, 3rd
For
Etienne and MT

I just shipped him off in my SF league

Thomas, Deebo, Hunter Henry
For
Diontae, Josh Jacobs, K Vaughn

[Anteaters]

^ I'm a big Jacobs believer (definitely for 2022+ but I'm also optimistic for 2021) so I like this deal a lot.

[Edgy68]

This late surgery along with the diva-like behavior of last season made him a priority sell for me. I took a 2023 1st (from a team that finished 11th this season) and a 2022 2nd for Thomas and Mattison to eliminate the headache. He has his money and may rebound for 1 or 2 seasons, but I believe it will be at a lesser level. I was willing to get out for whatever I could get.

[j4pac]

As a Saints fan I have legit concerns and have had them for some time. He is exceptionally talented...HOF talented. But he has a lot of Antonio Brown. A little bit crazy. Doesn’t face adversity well. I’d be surprised if he’s a Saints player next year. But yeah...the guy has the single season record for receptions. He is still an elite talent.

[lic217]

Moved MT and David Montgomery for Barkley because of my concerns with MT.