I disagree. They completely whiffed on reality of where they were as a team, and the player. Trading their own first next year looks egregious.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:25 pmPretty much any team that isn't terrible terrible is going to have to pay a price to draft a QBFantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:08 pmI just never understood the price they paid for an outlier. Maybe it works out, but the price they paid, Young needs to be a top 10 QB for his career, IMO. They could have used that pick to build OL, or D, and had a real shot at Caleb next year, or another top end QB.......or maybe grab a guy like Shedeur Sanders on day 2.....I kid, Giles, I kid.
This is what happens when franchises get desperate, though. Hiring a re-tread, to have a say in the process,too. IF I recall correctly, there was some real debate within the building, on who to take, which is never good. Sort of like the Lance situation. Not at all saying Bryce is Lance, but to make a move like this, there should be zero debate.
I am trying to think of the big trade UP, that worked at QB, recently. Help me out. There was RG3, Lance, recently. Any others I am missing?
Honestly, in regards to Reich, he looks old, tired and disengaged. He's not HC material. I'm amazed after what happened in Indy, that this organization would hire him and then pay that kind of capital to provide him with a QB. Insane. It was a ridiculous move, but IDK, maybe I'm wrong.
Reich was a good OC, but much like his playing days, is best playing 2nd fiddle. The Panthers are a mess.
The Texans look like the hired a good HC, who has the players playing above their pay grade already. They've likely hit on a few guys, in the non premium rounds too. They look like they have a rudder, and that bodes well for Stroud.
As a team that did it I have zero regrets
Even if it didn't work out though I'd take it over rolling out Andy Dalton or Desmond Ridder
Bryce Young may bust but I can't blame the Panthers for actually trying unlike some very un-serious franchises
"Actually trying" could actually mean setting themselves back 5 years rather than just waiting a year. It's called piss poor management. Inability to take an objective look at where you are. Or, perhaps they are just inept.
Either way, through 3 games it looks like a complete disaster and I don't give them a pass on it for what I consider terrible process.
Throwing a "Hail Mary" on 3rd and 8, as an analogy. Fields is terrible, they were given a hard time on passing on him for Horn, in hindsight, kind of a bad pick too, but injuries are so hard to predict on some players who showed no signs of it, like Penny for instance. They were right to pass on Fields for an elite corner prospect.
BUT, if you're going to go all in like this a few short years later, you'd better be right. Maybe they will be, but the process of who they hired, how it all went down, it all seemed very desperate, and if it doesn't work out, NO.
Trying isn't throwing away the next 4-5 years.....not unless you are completely sure, and if they whiffed, with conflict on the pick on top of that, no pass from me. That's how bad organizations stay bad.
Bryce Young needs to be a top 10-12 QB who stays healthy, for may years, for this deal to make sense. Period. If not, the Panthers are a bottom end team for the next half decade.
One more thing, what exactly are the teams that "don't try"? You mean teams that don't throw away picks that could submarine their franchise for half a decade? That's "not trying"? They maybe have a different plan that isn't, throw all caution to the wind on a low percentage play, and that's "bad", vs what the Panthers did, regardless of the outcome?
You realize "rolling out Andy Dalton" gave the Panthers a better shot at winning this week, over Bryce Young, right?
How un-serious of them! They were in Seattle, one of the toughest places to play for visiting teams. Bryce Young would have been eaten alive, there, this week, it would have likely destroyed him. He's actually lucky he hurt his ankle, and I think this staff knew that even IF he could have gone, there was no way they'd put him in there, because as Andy "un-serious" Dalton gave them a shot to win, over Bryce.Please clarify this further. Dalton has been a solid NFL QB for years, and was actually better than Winston last year. Are you referring to the Saints? They tried to upgrade to Carr, and were well on their way to being 3-0 before he got hurt, and Winston did nothing...so what and where, and how, does Dalton fit into unserious teams, exactly?
Dalton had a very fine career with the Bengals, ultimately, no he wasn't it. The Saints rode Dalton for a year, they have an elite D and tried to upgrade, and IMO did. Carr is a good QB. Ridder, no argument, I don't get it, they would be better with Taylor H, but they wanted to see what they had in Ridder, at least. That isn't going to work, but they gave it a shot, sometimes Dak Prescott happens with a mid round pick, sometimes it doesn't.
Doesn't mean the Falcons aren't serious. They wanted to see it with a full off season, give him some time. They clearly have a good football team, just missing the QB, but giving Ridder a chance doesn't make them "un-serious". They just likely didn't hit on a 3rd round QB, but they wanted to see it, they are still 2-1, and have a good roster.....and all of their picks and players for the future in the same division a the very serious Carolina Panthers....who are 0-3.....and don't have their first next year.
