Cooks vs 1.01

[kmbryant09]

I was feeling pretty good about my trade but now you guys have me unsure.

Either way i got a consistent low end WR1 whos only in his mid 20's for my rebuild. I still have a few mid first 2 to take some upside receivers and I have 2 1st next year in what looks to be a better running back draft.

Don't sweat it - you may have played it safe by opting for the proven veteran with a limited ceiling, but you got yourself a damn good WR #2 who is still only 25 years old and tied to an elite offense moving forward.

You did well and still have those other 1sts to add young talent with major upside.

[FantasyFreak]

At least he's in the discussion of 1.01 finally. I remember him barely being a late 1st last season as he was going to be reduced to a WR3 and not catching passes from a HOF QB

I was with you all the way on that one. Still have Cooks in quite a few places, as I liked the Rams landing spot. Cooks is and should be in the discussion for the 1.01. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, it just depends on how much risk you want to take. Jacobs probably has more risk, but more upside, too.

[Titans95]

At least he's in the discussion of 1.01 finally. I remember him barely being a late 1st last season as he was going to be reduced to a WR3 and not catching passes from a HOF QB

I was with you all the way on that one. Still have Cooks in quite a few places, as I liked the Rams landing spot. Cooks is and should be in the discussion for the 1.01. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, it just depends on how much risk you want to take. Jacobs probably has more risk, but more upside, too.

I'm still down on Cooks because I think either him or Woods is going to see a dip in season long production with Kupp in the fold a full year but I admit I was also one of the advocators against Cooks last season and I was completely wrong. Dude may not have elite upside but he's been the most consistent WR in the league the past few years.

[hoos89]

At least he's in the discussion of 1.01 finally. I remember him barely being a late 1st last season as he was going to be reduced to a WR3 and not catching passes from a HOF QB

I was with you all the way on that one. Still have Cooks in quite a few places, as I liked the Rams landing spot. Cooks is and should be in the discussion for the 1.01. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, it just depends on how much risk you want to take. Jacobs probably has more risk, but more upside, too.

I'm still down on Cooks because I think either him or Woods is going to see a dip in season long production with Kupp in the fold a full year but I admit I was also one of the advocators against Cooks last season and I was completely wrong. Dude may not have elite upside but he's been the most consistent WR in the league the past few years.

I don't think there's any basis to believe that Cooks or Woods will be worse off with Kupp back in the fold this season. In the first 5 weeks last season (prior to Kupp's initial knee injury in week 6), Woods averaged 19.14 points (better than his season average of 17.41). Cooks' average through week 5 was 15.76 (better than his season average of 14.67...and that's counting a 0 in week 5 that was the result of a first half concussion).

[Titans95]

I was with you all the way on that one. Still have Cooks in quite a few places, as I liked the Rams landing spot. Cooks is and should be in the discussion for the 1.01. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, it just depends on how much risk you want to take. Jacobs probably has more risk, but more upside, too.

I'm still down on Cooks because I think either him or Woods is going to see a dip in season long production with Kupp in the fold a full year but I admit I was also one of the advocators against Cooks last season and I was completely wrong. Dude may not have elite upside but he's been the most consistent WR in the league the past few years.

I don't think there's any basis to believe that Cooks or Woods will be worse off with Kupp back in the fold this season. In the first 5 weeks last season (prior to Kupp's initial knee injury in week 6), Woods averaged 19.14 points (better than his season average of 17.41). Cooks' average through week 5 was 15.76 (better than his season average of 14.67...and that's counting a 0 in week 5 that was the result of a first half concussion).

I haven't looked up the stats. I guess my main basis is I've never seen 3 WR1's on the same team before and I think Kupp is going to get his in the slot. Did the Rams offense as a whole cool off after Kupps injury? I know they were producing at historic rates early on, not saying its not possible to do on a regular basis but is that what we should expect? Outliers happen every now and then so I don't think its impossible. I just think what cooks did this season was his ceiling which is nice and consistent just not something to be over ecstatic about.

[hoos89]

The reason that all 3 of them were able to co-exist is that they all stay on the field for ~90% of snaps, which is not at all common in the NFL. Also disagree that Cooks hit his ceiling last season...he essentially missed a game and also probably should have had more TDs (only had 4 through week 16, but typically has 7-9 per season). Also kind of weird to call a season that wasn't even his 2nd best his "ceiling".

[LMS123]

Thanks for all the advice. I was in discussions with a guy who wanted 1.01 and wanted to gauge what i should add to get Cooks.

Just agreed to a deal

Give: 1.01, James Washington, 3.11

Get: Brandin Cooks, 2.11

I like this for you! Cooks is always undervalued for some reason. he's only a year or 2 older than the guys in this draft and a consistent 200+ point wr

[Titans95]

The reason that all 3 of them were able to co-exist is that they all stay on the field for ~90% of snaps, which is not at all common in the NFL. Also disagree that Cooks hit his ceiling last season...he essentially missed a game and also probably should have had more TDs (only had 4 through week 16, but typically has 7-9 per season). Also kind of weird to call a season that wasn't even his 2nd best his "ceiling".

I do know they run 3 wide sets an unusually high rate but that still doesn't justify expecting 3 WR's on the same team to finish inside the top 15 in the same season. Has that ever happened? Again not saying it can't and again I appreciate Cooks' steady 12-15 production and don't think that will likely change but I just think that Kupp/Goff rapport is the real deal.

I say it's his ceiling in LA to finish in the WR12 range because again 3 WR's doesn't leave enough meat on the bone for any one of them to become a stalwart top 5-7 WR. What happens if the Rams offense as a whole comes back down to earth?

I guess we are getting off topic, I came on here to say I'd rather take the shot on Jacobs because I personally like his prospects enough to think he's got a real shot to surpass the value of WR12 in the short term to make him more attractive in trades. I completely understand anyone who would rather have WR12-15 for the next 5 years and call it a day because that's pretty darn good as well.

[hoos89]

I do know they run 3 wide sets an unusually high rate but that still doesn't justify expecting 3 WR's on the same team to finish inside the top 15 in the same season. Has that ever happened? Again not saying it can't and again I appreciate Cooks' steady 12-15 production and don't think that will likely change but I just think that Kupp/Goff rapport is the real deal.

I say it's his ceiling in LA to finish in the WR12 range because again 3 WR's doesn't leave enough meat on the bone for any one of them to become a stalwart top 5-7 WR. What happens if the Rams offense as a whole comes back down to earth?

I guess we are getting off topic, I came on here to say I'd rather take the shot on Jacobs because I personally like his prospects enough to think he's got a real shot to surpass the value of WR12 in the short term to make him more attractive in trades. I completely understand anyone who would rather have WR12-15 for the next 5 years and call it a day because that's pretty darn good as well.

Cooks has finished as high as WR7, so your characterization of him as a consistent WR12-15 is underselling him. I think at this point in time Cooks should be considered the more valuable asset...but I also think that it's close, and that at this time next year there's a decent chance that Jacobs is significantly more valuable than Cooks, so it's a reasonable gamble to swap Cooks for Jacobs straight up (although personally I'd want something added to the Jacobs side).

[Pats/VikesFan]

I think it is a good trade for you. If someone offered me the same package for my Cooks share I would have wanted more.

[FantasyFreak]

I'm still down on Cooks because I think either him or Woods is going to see a dip in season long production with Kupp in the fold a full year but I admit I was also one of the advocators against Cooks last season and I was completely wrong. Dude may not have elite upside but he's been the most consistent WR in the league the past few years.

I don't think there's any basis to believe that Cooks or Woods will be worse off with Kupp back in the fold this season. In the first 5 weeks last season (prior to Kupp's initial knee injury in week 6), Woods averaged 19.14 points (better than his season average of 17.41). Cooks' average through week 5 was 15.76 (better than his season average of 14.67...and that's counting a 0 in week 5 that was the result of a first half concussion).

I haven't looked up the stats. I guess my main basis is I've never seen 3 WR1's on the same team before and I think Kupp is going to get his in the slot. Did the Rams offense as a whole cool off after Kupps injury? I know they were producing at historic rates early on, not saying its not possible to do on a regular basis but is that what we should expect? Outliers happen every now and then so I don't think its impossible. I just think what cooks did this season was his ceiling which is nice and consistent just not something to be over ecstatic about.

Cooks was doing fine before Kupp went down.

[pvillebiker]

I may be reading the tea leaves incorrectly, but it sure sounds like Kupp has a ways to go to get back to form. Team has said it's their "goal" to have him ready for the season. Wouldn't surprise me if he takes several games to get back to form. Between that and Gurley's workload getting reduced (even accounting for a ramp in Henderson and Brown touches), I think there's a case that both Cooks and Woods get more targets in the 1st 1/4 - 1/2 of the season. Plus year #2 in the offense is another tailwind for Cooks. Not a lock of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if his yearly production is in the mid-level WR1 range.

[smallxl]

The 1.01 is simply not as valuable as say the 1.01 last year which was Barkley. I'm not selling Cooks for "upside". But thanks.

[hoos89]

The 1.01 is simply not as valuable as say the 1.01 last year which was Barkley. I'm not selling Cooks for "upside". But thanks.

Well sure, but you couldn't have come close to buying 1.01 with Cooks last year (or just about any recent year for that matter). The fact that people would even consider selling 1.01 for Cooks already reflects that the 1.01 is less valuable than it normally is. I also think Jacobs' value is more about being an RB with what should be a pretty high floor when healthy than it is about upside.

[FantasyFreak]

Seems like this trade is really open for debate again.