What is Greene's value?

[remy420]

I definately don't like Greene's value over Stewart's even this year. You don't trade for holmes and sign the most consistent receiving rb since marshall faulk with a 2nd year top 10 pick for qb to give Greene 12 td's.

[Misfit74]

I know I stand alone here. And you're right, we don't know if Greene can handle 300+ carries either. I just think Greene is better suited to take on that kind of load.

Why do you think that?

Stewart: 5'10" 235lbs, BMI 33.7

Greene: 5'11" 226lbs, BMI 31.5

Please don't take this as me saying that Stewart is terrible. He's obviously a good back. I just don't see him as an elite, and I think Greene has just as much talent and is in a better situation to boot.

Stewart: DVOA ranking of 9th, DYAR ranking of 7th, broken tackles ranking of 6th in the league amongst RBs (as an RB2), 13th overall selection

Greene: DVOA ranking of 19th, DYAR ranking of 30th, didnt rank in the top 10 RBs for broken tackles, 65th overall

Stewart also ran a 4.3 40 at 5'10", 235lbs. Elite size/speed combo. 1.46 10-yard split is amazing. Chris Johnson's was 1.40: at 197lbs. (!)

Green ran in the 4.6's, which is why he fell to round 2 and JStew was drafted 18th overall.

I'm not saying 40-time and speed is everything. I'm just saying Stewart's size/speed are elite. Greene's is not. 1.55 10-yard split indicates not as much 'burst' as quite a few other backs. I think he'll run fine and have success, though. But to say Stewart 'lacks elite talent' is borderline crazy-talk or you are a Jet's fan lol

[MR ROURKE]

Greene and JStew aren't even in the same tier to have a discussion of who's better.
JStew is at least on RB tier higher then Green.

[BradyT]

Greene and JStew aren't even in the same tier to have a discussion of who's better.
JStew is at least on RB tier higher then Green.

Agreed! Stewart is close to crack the top 5 imo.. Greene is outside the top 10.

[jthirteentimes]

When I first got on this board I was happy to see that my J Stew love was shared by others. But now, with the J Stew love-fest going on, I'm just downright terrified that he wont make it to me at 1.12 in my start-up.

[Kaz]

When I first got on this board I was happy to see that my J Stew love was shared by others. But now, with the J Stew love-fest going on, I'm just downright terrified that he wont make it to me at 1.12 in my start-up.

I'm having a startup later today...and this is my fear as well.

[hostile]

When I first got on this board I was happy to see that my J Stew love was shared by others. But now, with the J Stew love-fest going on, I'm just downright terrified that he wont make it to me at 1.12 in my start-up.

I'm having a startup later today...and this is my fear as well.

I have yet to see him go 1.11 and higher.

You both should be fine.

[Steelersfan]

When I first got on this board I was happy to see that my J Stew love was shared by others. But now, with the J Stew love-fest going on, I'm just downright terrified that he wont make it to me at 1.12 in my start-up.

I'm having a startup later today...and this is my fear as well.

I have yet to see him go 1.11 and higher.

You both should be fine.

Stewart went with the 1.10 in the DLF IV this past May.

[bigcsr67]

I see your argument that Stewart is more physically gifted than Greene, but to say he is above and beyond Greene is a bit off IMO. As of today, Greene has the better situation, and Stewart still has D-Will in the mix. Stewart is no PPR monster, and we all know Greene isn't a threat to make a ton of catches, so there isn't that much discrepancy in the PPR or no PPR argument. Greene is indeed an unknown, so I do rank him lower than Stewart, but to think Stewart is way above Greene is ludicrous. If Stewart gets in a better situation, he does indeed have top 5 talent, but he is still in a big time share, and Greene is not. I would be willing to bet that Greene and Stewart will score similarly in either PPR or No PPR formats in 2010. Stewart has more talent indeed, but that does not always make for success.

[nightmarion]

http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true

Obviously this ranking is based on a re-draft league. None-the-less Stewart didn't even make the list, whereas one expert had Greene ranked #5.

[jthirteentimes]

http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true

Obviously this ranking is based on a re-draft league. None-the-less Stewart didn't even make the list, whereas one expert had Greene ranked #5.

Meaningless for several reasons, but the only one I'll bother to mention is the one that you already acknowledged: nobody is saying J Stew has more value in a re-draft league. They are saying he has more value in a dynasty league.

I have J. Stew ranked WAY ahead of Greene in dynasty. In re-draft, I have Greene ranked WAY head of J. Stew.

[nightmarion]

Read the post, there are people saying that Stewart ranks ahead of Greene even in re-draft. And if Stewart is an elite talent, I would think he could crack the top 20 rankings in his third season.

Stewart has yet to post elite numbers, and is not projected to do so in his third
AP posted elite/near elite numbers from season one (splitting carries with a 1,000 yard rusher)
CJ posted near elite year one, and elite year two
Even MJD, playing behind Fred Taylor posted near elite numbers in his rookie season

He is a good back, hands down. But he is on the same tier as Greene. And, personally, I'll take Greene everytime

[Risky bidness]

LaDainian Tomlinson told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio for a SportsCenter interview that he believes he's competing with Shonn Greene to start.
"I think the best man is gonna win the starting job," Tomlinson said. Greene is without question the superior player, so he's the favorite in everyone's eyes, including LT's. "I'm tired of being doubted by so many people about what I can do," Tomlinson added. LT did say he'll be able to "get over it" if Greene wins the starting and feature back job, which he will.

Obviously, I wouldn't be concerned long term, but what about this year?

[MR ROURKE]

Yes, it is dynasty. But like I said, I don't know that JStew can handle 300+ carries a season.

Out of curiosity... why do you doubt JStew can handle the load, but you're apparently sure that Greene can.
If I'm not mistaken, Greene got 2 rib injuries, a twisted ankle, and something to his shoulder in only his first year. JStew has been out there playing through injury every year, but you doubt that he will in the future.

Besides what I see as a difference in talent of the two RB's.... Greene runs like M.Barber or B.Jacbobs. I see Greene missing more time every year then Stewart and Greene's career winding down faster.. Stewart is a big, powerful back, but his speed allows him to not have to take on big hits every play. This is coming from someone who has Greene and JStew on three dynasty teams, so I'm invested in both.

[dlf_ericd]

i think it's pretty obvious what everyone's opinion is...JStew is the much better back in a dynasty format. In a redraft, you can make your case for either, but I actually prefer him there too...

This one isn't even close.