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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 9:24 am
by mgscott
MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:19 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:11 am
I've seen a few posts about it, but how do you all feel about Nabers in NYG? Are you downgrading? Here's how I see the top three—
Harrison—great spot, WR1, will get a lot of targets, slight upgrade
Nabers—average QB, average WRs around him, should get targets, slight downgrade
Odunze—great QB situation, great WRs around him, short-term slight downgrade, long-term upgrade
I had Nabers as WR1 predraft, here is my current ranking:
Harrison - great landing spot, slight upgrade
Nabers - bad landing spot, slight downgrade, QB questions and MetLife turf concerns
Odunze - bad landing spot, light downgrade, QB questions and crowded WR room (maybe 1 day Caleb will be great QB situation, but not yet)
This is almost exactly how I see it and definitely agree with slight upgrade or downgrade due to landing spot. Situations change year to year and sometimes even sooner than that. Way too early to call Chi a great QB situation.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 9:30 am
by killer_of_giants
the giants landing spot is as bad as the titans' was for aj brown: not bad at all, being the clear-cut number 1 target for your team. yes that QB sucks, but he'll still throw for 3000+ yards and someone has to catch it. slayton had 770 yards from jones/tyrod/devito, nabers will be just fine.
as for odunze's situation, not optimal, but i wouldn't call it bad either, more neutral (especially long-term).
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 9:52 am
by wickerkat1212
MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:19 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:11 am
I've seen a few posts about it, but how do you all feel about Nabers in NYG? Are you downgrading? Here's how I see the top three—
Harrison—great spot, WR1, will get a lot of targets, slight upgrade
Nabers—average QB, average WRs around him, should get targets, slight downgrade
Odunze—great QB situation, great WRs around him, short-term slight downgrade, long-term upgrade
I had Nabers as WR1 predraft, here is my current ranking:
Harrison - great landing spot, slight upgrade
Nabers - bad landing spot, slight downgrade, QB questions and MetLife turf concerns
Odunze - bad landing spot, light downgrade, QB questions and crowded WR room (maybe 1 day Caleb will be great QB situation, but not yet)
I know not everyone loves CW and he has to of course prove himself, but he's the best QB the Bears have ever drafted IMO, and the ability of Caleb and Odunze to grow together, the chemistry they already have, I see those as all plusses. Allen will be gone in a year or two, but you want good WRs to draw the attention, DJM will still get the top coverage IMO. I think Odunze has a solid rookie year and then starts to take the WR2 job next year. I hope we have a Manning to 1A Harrison and 1B Wayne situation. I don't expect Caleb to have a Stroud rookie year, but I think he'll do very well this year. We'll see.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 9:54 am
by killer_of_giants
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:52 am
but he's the best QB the Bears have ever drafted IMO
they could have drafted
you and that'd still be true.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:01 am
by wickerkat1212
killer_of_giants wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:54 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:52 am
but he's the best QB the Bears have ever drafted IMO
they could have drafted
you and that'd still be true.
LOL I mean, it's not QUITE that dire, but I hear you. Yep, I'm drinking the Kool-Aid, 100%. Stoked.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:09 am
by Cameron Giles
There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:18 am
by MacDaddy123
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:52 am
MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:19 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:11 am
I've seen a few posts about it, but how do you all feel about Nabers in NYG? Are you downgrading? Here's how I see the top three—
Harrison—great spot, WR1, will get a lot of targets, slight upgrade
Nabers—average QB, average WRs around him, should get targets, slight downgrade
Odunze—great QB situation, great WRs around him, short-term slight downgrade, long-term upgrade
I had Nabers as WR1 predraft, here is my current ranking:
Harrison - great landing spot, slight upgrade
Nabers - bad landing spot, slight downgrade, QB questions and MetLife turf concerns
Odunze - bad landing spot, light downgrade, QB questions and crowded WR room (maybe 1 day Caleb will be great QB situation, but not yet)
I know not everyone loves CW and he has to of course prove himself, but he's the best QB the Bears have ever drafted IMO, and the ability of Caleb and Odunze to grow together, the chemistry they already have, I see those as all plusses. Allen will be gone in a year or two, but you want good WRs to draw the attention, DJM will still get the top coverage IMO. I think Odunze has a solid rookie year and then starts to take the WR2 job next year. I hope we have a Manning to 1A Harrison and 1B Wayne situation. I don't expect Caleb to have a Stroud rookie year, but I think he'll do very well this year. We'll see.
You being a Bears fan, I get your optimism and hopium.
I am not trying to rain on your parade, just noting that busts happen every single year, and many times where we least expect them.
Many times it is our own fault, for setting our expectations so high.
I just can't call any rookie QB a "great QB situation".
We can have high hopes for rookies, but none of them are great until they have proven themselves in the NFL.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:20 am
by killer_of_giants
MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:18 am
rain on your parade
random thought of the day, but "piss on your chips" is a vastly superior way of saying the same thing, imo.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:29 am
by Shoreline Steamers
killer_of_giants wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:20 am
MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:18 am
rain on your parade
random thought of the day, but "piss on your chips" is a vastly superior way of saying the same thing, imo.
Were you watching "Wrexam" the other night KOG? Heard that turn of phrase on an episode. Agreed on preference.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:36 am
by killer_of_giants
Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:29 am
killer_of_giants wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:20 am
MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:18 am
rain on your parade
random thought of the day, but "piss on your chips" is a vastly superior way of saying the same thing, imo.
Were you watching "Wrexam" the other night KOG? Heard that turn of phrase on an episode. Agreed on preference.
didn't know of that series, will look it up.
but no, i learnt british english at school (not the use of Capitals, mind you) and lived in england for a while.
and i have a passion for swearing, like a 12 years old.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:38 am
by Jigga94
Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:09 am
There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.
Prospect fatigue. Idk how people spend all summer talking about the same 3 WR.
Nabers moved from WR2 to WR2 with his "downgrade" of a landing spot. Jones stinks, NY field is a mess, but Nabers is going to be a target hog and will probably have a good shot at ROY
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 11:11 am
by wickerkat1212
Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:09 am
There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.
I thought the 2025 QB class was supposed to be pretty weak? Do you feel Nabers is "landing spot proof" that he will perform no matter who is his QB? I'm looking to make a move to get the 1.02. Thanks!
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 11:12 am
by wickerkat1212
Jigga94 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:38 am
Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:09 am
There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.
Prospect fatigue. Idk how people spend all summer talking about the same 3 WR.
Nabers moved from WR2 to WR2 with his "downgrade" of a landing spot. Jones stinks, NY field is a mess, but Nabers is going to be a target hog and will probably have a good shot at ROY
Okay, good. I'm overreacting. Just wanted to make sure.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 11:23 am
by mgscott
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 11:11 am
Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:09 am
There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.
I thought the 2025 QB class was supposed to be pretty weak? Do you feel Nabers is "landing spot proof" that he will perform no matter who is his QB? I'm looking to make a move to get the 1.02. Thanks!
The Giants QB in '25 doesn't necessarily have to come from the draft. They could easily make a trade or sign a veteran QB that will heavily target Nabers. It is an unknown, which makes it dicey, but Nabers may well be landing spot proof as well.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 11:26 am
by wickerkat1212
mgscott wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 11:23 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 11:11 am
Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:09 am
There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.
I thought the 2025 QB class was supposed to be pretty weak? Do you feel Nabers is "landing spot proof" that he will perform no matter who is his QB? I'm looking to make a move to get the 1.02. Thanks!
The Giants QB in '25 doesn't necessarily have to come from the draft. They could easily make a trade or sign a veteran QB that will heavily target Nabers. It is an unknown, which makes it dicey, but Nabers may well be landing spot proof as well.
Cool. Thanks.