SF Start-up Help Welcomed

[tstafford]

Fair point Ant! Below is the roster. I'm fairly happy with it. Looking back at the draft there aren't any places where I saw someone go off the board shortly after me that I regretted not taking. I expect an even spread on the 2024 firsts which will yield a nice haul.

My goal now is to move Kittle, Evans and a QB or two for more prospects or picks. I'm not concerned that this team is going to win any games so there is no rush. My guess is there will be some trade action right before the start of the season and again after some dust settles during the first few weeks.

Again thanks to all who assisted. It was a fun process and you guys were very valuable.

QB: Kyler, Tua, Stroud, Carr, Levis, Willis
RB: Gainwell, Roschon, D.Vaughn
WR: Lamb, Metcalf, Evans, Burks, Mims, Tillman, Downs, Marshall
TE: Kittle, Chig, J.Johnson, I.Smith
2024: 3 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd

[Mtt33]

Fair point Ant! Below is the roster. I'm fairly happy with it. Looking back at the draft there aren't any places where I saw someone go off the board shortly after me that I regretted not taking. I expect an even spread on the 2024 firsts which will yield a nice haul.

My goal now is to move Kittle, Evans and a QB or two for more prospects or picks. I'm not concerned that this team is going to win any games so there is no rush. My guess is there will be some trade action right before the start of the season and again after some dust settles during the first few weeks.

Again thanks to all who assisted. It was a fun process and you guys were very valuable.

QB: Kyler, Tua, Stroud, Carr, Levis, Willis
RB: Gainwell, Roschon, D.Vaughn
WR: Lamb, Metcalf, Evans, Burks, Mims, Tillman, Downs, Marshall
TE: Kittle, Chig, J.Johnson, I.Smith
2024: 3 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd

Is draft order determined by potential points or standings?

[CGW]

Didn't read all the 15 pages....What are Evans and Kittle doing on your roster? See if you can get some value for them in trades.

[tstafford]

Is draft order determined by potential points or standings?

Standings. I'm really not worried about this at all.

[tstafford]

Didn't read all the 15 pages....What are Evans and Kittle doing on your roster? See if you can get some value for them in trades.

They fell way too far. I couldn't pass them on value. I will endeavor to move them ASAP. There are teams that hope to contend that can definitely benefit from Kittle. I drafted the other TEs to make moving him easier. I'm not required by the rules of this league to start either of them anyway.

[tstafford]

Thought I'd provide a quick update on this team since several of you were super helpful during the draft. For those who might not recall, this was a SF start-up w/ a bunch of analysts from one of the networks (and some other random folks). Decided to use the "productive struggle" approach.

Final record: 0-14

PPR, QB/2RB/2WR/3Flex/1SF

QB: Tua, Kyler, Levis, Carr, Zappe, DTR, Cunningham
RB: Roschon, Tucker, Dallas, Brooks
WR: Lamb, D.Smith, DKM, D.Johnson, Downs, Burks, Mims, Tillman, Wicks
TE: Chig, Kraft, Jordan, Conklin
2024: 1.01, 1.05, 1.06, 1.?? (TBD), 1.?? (TBD), 2.01, 2.06, 3.01
2025: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd

Overall I am extremely happy with this team. Landing three top-6 draft picks for next year is terrific since trading players for picks obviously made those teams better. Curious to see where the other two firsts land. Having seven of first eighteen draft picks provides a ton of flexibility.

Some observations I had from this league:
QB value - I was surprised at how little value managers put on QB. The top teams more or less punted the position and it mostly worked for them. I think the large number of flexes de-emphasizes QB scoring. I also think folks got lucky with the number of QB injuries we saw this year. A lot of WW QBs were started at one point or another. I'm thinking this probably costs them long term

Start-up impact - I haven't done a start-up in a LONG time. I underestimated how even the teams would be (kind of like redraft). This makes the productive struggle approach even better. My team is much closer to contention than I would have thought. I'll probably hedge my bets in the draft by using some picks and trading others. I want to be a force in the league next year. I can trade a pick or two for old RBs and use the rest for depth at other positions

"Redrafty" teams - There are several redraft looking teams. I guess those folks wanted to contend year one. But it's going to be hard on them for years to come I think

[TheTroll]

Thought I'd provide a quick update on this team since several of you were super helpful during the draft. For those who might not recall, this was a SF start-up w/ a bunch of analysts from one of the networks (and some other random folks). Decided to use the "productive struggle" approach.

Final record: 0-14

PPR, QB/2RB/2WR/3Flex/1SF

QB: Tua, Kyler, Levis, Carr, Zappe, DTR, Cunningham
RB: Roschon, Tucker, Dallas, Brooks
WR: Lamb, D.Smith, DKM, D.Johnson, Downs, Burks, Mims, Tillman, Wicks
TE: Chig, Kraft, Jordan, Conklin
2024: 1.01, 1.05, 1.06, 1.?? (TBD), 1.?? (TBD), 2.01, 2.06, 3.01
2025: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd

Overall I am extremely happy with this team. Landing three top-6 draft picks for next year is terrific since trading players for picks obviously made those teams better. Curious to see where the other two firsts land. Having seven of first eighteen draft picks provides a ton of flexibility.

Some observations I had from this league:
QB value - I was surprised at how little value managers put on QB. The top teams more or less punted the position and it mostly worked for them. I think the large number of flexes de-emphasizes QB scoring. I also think folks got lucky with the number of QB injuries we saw this year. A lot of WW QBs were started at one point or another. I'm thinking this probably costs them long term

Start-up impact - I haven't done a start-up in a LONG time. I underestimated how even the teams would be (kind of like redraft). This makes the productive struggle approach even better. My team is much closer to contention than I would have thought. I'll probably hedge my bets in the draft by using some picks and trading others. I want to be a force in the league next year. I can trade a pick or two for old RBs and use the rest for depth at other positions

"Redrafty" teams - There are several redraft looking teams. I guess those folks wanted to contend year one. But it's going to be hard on them for years to come I think

Love "Productive Struggle"! I'm going to start using it

[CurtisMyFavMartin]

Thought I'd provide a quick update on this team since several of you were super helpful during the draft. For those who might not recall, this was a SF start-up w/ a bunch of analysts from one of the networks (and some other random folks). Decided to use the "productive struggle" approach.

Final record: 0-14

PPR, QB/2RB/2WR/3Flex/1SF

QB: Tua, Kyler, Levis, Carr, Zappe, DTR, Cunningham
RB: Roschon, Tucker, Dallas, Brooks
WR: Lamb, D.Smith, DKM, D.Johnson, Downs, Burks, Mims, Tillman, Wicks
TE: Chig, Kraft, Jordan, Conklin
2024: 1.01, 1.05, 1.06, 1.?? (TBD), 1.?? (TBD), 2.01, 2.06, 3.01
2025: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd

Overall I am extremely happy with this team. Landing three top-6 draft picks for next year is terrific since trading players for picks obviously made those teams better. Curious to see where the other two firsts land. Having seven of first eighteen draft picks provides a ton of flexibility.

Some observations I had from this league:
QB value - I was surprised at how little value managers put on QB. The top teams more or less punted the position and it mostly worked for them. I think the large number of flexes de-emphasizes QB scoring. I also think folks got lucky with the number of QB injuries we saw this year. A lot of WW QBs were started at one point or another. I'm thinking this probably costs them long term

Start-up impact - I haven't done a start-up in a LONG time. I underestimated how even the teams would be (kind of like redraft). This makes the productive struggle approach even better. My team is much closer to contention than I would have thought. I'll probably hedge my bets in the draft by using some picks and trading others. I want to be a force in the league next year. I can trade a pick or two for old RBs and use the rest for depth at other positions

"Redrafty" teams - There are several redraft looking teams. I guess those folks wanted to contend year one. But it's going to be hard on them for years to come I think

How did you end up 0-14 with that team??

[TheTroll]

Thought I'd provide a quick update on this team since several of you were super helpful during the draft. For those who might not recall, this was a SF start-up w/ a bunch of analysts from one of the networks (and some other random folks). Decided to use the "productive struggle" approach.

Final record: 0-14

PPR, QB/2RB/2WR/3Flex/1SF

QB: Tua, Kyler, Levis, Carr, Zappe, DTR, Cunningham
RB: Roschon, Tucker, Dallas, Brooks
WR: Lamb, D.Smith, DKM, D.Johnson, Downs, Burks, Mims, Tillman, Wicks
TE: Chig, Kraft, Jordan, Conklin
2024: 1.01, 1.05, 1.06, 1.?? (TBD), 1.?? (TBD), 2.01, 2.06, 3.01
2025: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd

Overall I am extremely happy with this team. Landing three top-6 draft picks for next year is terrific since trading players for picks obviously made those teams better. Curious to see where the other two firsts land. Having seven of first eighteen draft picks provides a ton of flexibility.

Some observations I had from this league:
QB value - I was surprised at how little value managers put on QB. The top teams more or less punted the position and it mostly worked for them. I think the large number of flexes de-emphasizes QB scoring. I also think folks got lucky with the number of QB injuries we saw this year. A lot of WW QBs were started at one point or another. I'm thinking this probably costs them long term

Start-up impact - I haven't done a start-up in a LONG time. I underestimated how even the teams would be (kind of like redraft). This makes the productive struggle approach even better. My team is much closer to contention than I would have thought. I'll probably hedge my bets in the draft by using some picks and trading others. I want to be a force in the league next year. I can trade a pick or two for old RBs and use the rest for depth at other positions

"Redrafty" teams - There are several redraft looking teams. I guess those folks wanted to contend year one. But it's going to be hard on them for years to come I think

How did you end up 0-14 with that team??

It took a ton of talent and deliberate and purposeful "productive struggling" We are no longer using the "T word" that rhymes with BANK

[tstafford]

Love "Productive Struggle"! I'm going to start using it

That's an old DLF thing coined by Ryan McDowell. It's essentially a strategy where you punt on year one of a startup by drafting very young and trading players for picks. It's effective especially if no other managers employ it.

[tstafford]

How did you end up 0-14 with that team??

This league doesn't require you start what I'd call a good faith line-up. You have to start "active" players. So essentially you can do something that rhymes with BANK.

To cleanse my soul I donated $100 per intentional loss to St. Jude's Children's Hospital this AM. Hopefully that appeases the fantasy gods and helps some needy young ones.

[Anteaters]

Love the result. You're set at some key positions, and having many 1st round picks will help you stack depth and maybe get another starter or three. Your team should beast next season.

[tstafford]

Love the result. You're set at some key positions, and having many 1st round picks will help you stack depth and maybe get another starter or three. Your team should beast next season.

Thanks. I'll resurrect this thread again come draft time and solicit y'alls help.

[tstafford]

Bringing this thread back to life. Looks like our commish is finally getting around to scheduling our rookie draft. Should start in a week or two. Forum was super helpful during the start-up last year, so I welcome your input on the rookie draft. Current roster listed below. I believe this team can contend in '24 because there aren't any powerhouses yet.

Question: will need to cut six. Anyone disagree with Stidham, DTR, Zappe, Cunningham, Allen, Tillman?

Will post again once the draft starts - I'm fairly locked in to Daniels at 1.03 but the 1.05 should provide some interesting choices. I'm hoping Nabers falls - the guy at 1.04 desperately needs a QB.

12 team, SF, PPR
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3flex, 1SF
Kyler, Tua, Carr, Stidham, DTR, Zappe, Cunningham
Achane, Spears, Roschon, McBride, Tucker, Brooks
Lamb, DKM, D.Smith, Rice, D.Johnson, McLaurin, Downs, Burks, Tillman
Pitts, Chig, Kraft, Allen
1.03, 1.05, 1.10, 2.01
All future picks plus an extra '25 2nd

[NathanielWegman]

I think your cuts are perfect.

At 1.03 I’d definitely take Daniels

If the guy at 4 desperately needs a QB, just so someone can’t jump in front of me I might offer him 1.5 and a small incentive just to make sure I can grab Nabers..