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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:09 am

Fantasy prospects who helped themselves the most at Senior Bowl practices last week- Nathaniel Dell, Michael Wilson, Jayden Reed, Tyjae Spears, Eric Gray.

Dell being both 5'8" and 163 is hugely worrisome.
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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby Jigga94 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:40 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:09 am Fantasy prospects who helped themselves the most at Senior Bowl practices last week- Nathaniel Dell, Michael Wilson, Jayden Reed, Tyjae Spears, Eric Gray.

Dell being both 5'8" and 163 is hugely worrisome.
I didn't hear many good things about Tank Dell. Size has me worried as well. I agree on the others though.

None of the QB really helped themselves in the game yesterday. Maybe Cunningham in the limited work he had, but he's still a day 3 project. Duggan probably went from day 3 to UDFA. Haener won the MVP but he was just ok.

I was underwhelmed by a lot of the RB. Peoples dropped 2 passes in a row. Chase Brown, Rodriguez and most others weren't finding much running room either. Spears and Gray looked quick out there in limited work.

WR were pretty locked up for most of the day. Mingo was catching my eye a little as he ran some good routes for his size. Wilson looked good and obviously had the big jump ball at the end. Think he's a name that's rising quickly. Jalen Wayne too with game high 8 catches.

TE were getting a fair amount of work with the QB checking down a lot. Musgrave was the top name there and looked solid.

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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:26 am

According to reports, Dell was "unstoppable" day 1 and 2 of practice, showing "elite" speed and "natural" route running. What's weird is he suddenly didn't show up day three. An on site person/analyst said, Dell chose to leave because he was dominating so much. Not certain if that was intended as a joke.

Anyways, via Marcus Mosher- Here is every one-on-one rep for #Houston WR Tank Dell at the Senior Bowl through Day 2: pic.twitter.com/HveXaffYIQ
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Postby wickerkat1212 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:30 am

D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:33 am

Hyatt is his second WR overall. Wow.

Addison 10
Hyatt 23
JSN 31
Johnston 34
Flowers 41
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:03 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:33 am Hyatt is his second WR overall. Wow.

Addison 10
Hyatt 23
JSN 31
Johnston 34
Flowers 41
I'd take JSN over Hyatt all day and not look back. Hyatt reminds me some of Will Fuller, which is fine, but I just couldn't see myself rating a WR from that Art Briles scheme high over players like JSN, Downs, Flowers, etc. who have shown they can win at multiple levels without a scheme that does it for them.

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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:48 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:03 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:33 am Hyatt is his second WR overall. Wow.

Addison 10
Hyatt 23
JSN 31
Johnston 34
Flowers 41
I'd take JSN over Hyatt all day and not look back. Hyatt reminds me some of Will Fuller, which is fine, but I just couldn't see myself rating a WR from that Art Briles scheme high over players like JSN, Downs, Flowers, etc. who have shown they can win at multiple levels without a scheme that does it for them.
I agree 100% that's why I was shocked.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby mild » Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:06 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:03 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:33 am Hyatt is his second WR overall. Wow.

Addison 10
Hyatt 23
JSN 31
Johnston 34
Flowers 41
I'd take JSN over Hyatt all day and not look back. Hyatt reminds me some of Will Fuller, which is fine, but I just couldn't see myself rating a WR from that Art Briles scheme high over players like JSN, Downs, Flowers, etc. who have shown they can win at multiple levels without a scheme that does it for them.
I wonder how much of it is him thinking in "real NFL terms" vs. our fantasy mindsets where we are chasing volume-style fantasy dominators.

Hyatt, though raw and limited - would fill a clear and present need for a number of teams (off the top of my head: Chargers, Buffalo, Baltimore if DDuv. walks, NYG, Minnesota are all contenders who could use a legit speed/deep threat - not to mention the myriad rebuilding teams who might want him too - CHI, HOU, etc) who need another legit playmaker opposite their #1.

Him on the Chargers would be awesome. They're dying for a receiver that runs faster than 4.6. This is the same kind of skillset that got Henry Ruggs drafted as the WR1 ahead of J-Jeff, Jeudy, Ceedee, etc.

Short of him landing with one of those elite QB's though, I don't think any of us in Fantasy will be taking him WR2 like Mr. Jeremiah is proposing. The fantasy play still looks like Addison and JSN, to me.

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Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:20 pm

mild wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:06 pm I wonder how much of it is him thinking in "real NFL terms" vs. our fantasy mindsets where we are chasing volume-style fantasy dominators.

Hyatt, though raw and limited - would fill a clear and present need for a number of teams (off the top of my head: Chargers, Buffalo, Baltimore if DDuv. walks, NYG, Minnesota are all contenders who could use a legit speed/deep threat - not to mention the myriad rebuilding teams who might want him too - CHI, HOU, etc) who need another legit playmaker opposite their #1.

Him on the Chargers would be awesome. They're dying for a receiver that runs faster than 4.6. This is the same kind of skillset that got Henry Ruggs drafted as the WR1 ahead of J-Jeff, Jeudy, Ceedee, etc.

Short of him landing with one of those elite QB's though, I don't think any of us in Fantasy will be taking him WR2 like Mr. Jeremiah is proposing. The fantasy play still looks like Addison and JSN, to me.
It makes some sense in real football, but over a player like JSN who could be a legitimate go-to guy in an offense? I just don't see it.

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Postby wickerkat1212 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:34 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:20 pm
mild wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:06 pm I wonder how much of it is him thinking in "real NFL terms" vs. our fantasy mindsets where we are chasing volume-style fantasy dominators.

Hyatt, though raw and limited - would fill a clear and present need for a number of teams (off the top of my head: Chargers, Buffalo, Baltimore if DDuv. walks, NYG, Minnesota are all contenders who could use a legit speed/deep threat - not to mention the myriad rebuilding teams who might want him too - CHI, HOU, etc) who need another legit playmaker opposite their #1.

Him on the Chargers would be awesome. They're dying for a receiver that runs faster than 4.6. This is the same kind of skillset that got Henry Ruggs drafted as the WR1 ahead of J-Jeff, Jeudy, Ceedee, etc.

Short of him landing with one of those elite QB's though, I don't think any of us in Fantasy will be taking him WR2 like Mr. Jeremiah is proposing. The fantasy play still looks like Addison and JSN, to me.
It makes some sense in real football, but over a player like JSN who could be a legitimate go-to guy in an offense? I just don't see it.
Agree. I have the same vibe with JSN that I had with Chase and Jefferson. I want to get as many shares of him as I can. I don't think he'll be as good as them (would be nice) but I have him and Addison very close.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby Mjvb5 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:54 pm

JoeJoe88 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:24 am
BabyChark23 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:21 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:31 am

KTC has 1.03 = Chris Olave right now.

I don't think Olave owners would do that, but I think you could get a very good young WR for 1.03 if you fish around. I wouldn't be trading picks right now. Draft hype hasn't got into full steam yet.
I think I’d rather have the 1.03 over Olave.
Same, particularly in SF. Now, if we’re talking G. Wilson…
I'm sorry but I can't justify jsn over olave even with as much as I love jsn and own no olave. Your quite literally hoping for him to be olave

Saying that the issue at wr is all the young wrs I prefer to 1.3 or are well lower than the pick in value. Most of the options are guys that are well old like diggs, kupp, Adams, dk mainly make sense for contenders

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Postby gogobradyarm » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:57 pm

Mjvb5 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeJoe88 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:24 am
BabyChark23 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:21 am

I think I’d rather have the 1.03 over Olave.
Same, particularly in SF. Now, if we’re talking G. Wilson…
I'm sorry but I can't justify jsn over olave even with as much as I love jsn and own no olave. Your quite literally hoping for him to be olave
Agree. You can chase the upside with JSN, and hope he becomes an Olave...
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Postby JoeJoe88 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:51 pm

Mjvb5 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeJoe88 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:24 am
BabyChark23 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:21 am

I think I’d rather have the 1.03 over Olave.
Same, particularly in SF. Now, if we’re talking G. Wilson…
I'm sorry but I can't justify jsn over olave even with as much as I love jsn and own no olave. Your quite literally hoping for him to be olave

Saying that the issue at wr is all the young wrs I prefer to 1.3 or are well lower than the pick in value. Most of the options are guys that are well old like diggs, kupp, Adams, dk mainly make sense for contenders
Not sure I’d lump DK in with that group. He just turned 25.

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Re: Way, way, waaaay too early 2023 Draft class thread

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:55 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:09 am Fantasy prospects who helped themselves the most at Senior Bowl practices last week- Nathaniel Dell, Michael Wilson, Jayden Reed, Tyjae Spears, Eric Gray.

Dell being both 5'8" and 163 is hugely worrisome.
Dell gives me some Darnell Mooney vibes. Obviously 163 is not great, but with his advanced route running and length, I think he's more than capable of making up for his size. If I can get shares in Round 3 or 4, I wouldn't hesitate. Low investment.

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Postby wickerkat1212 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:07 pm

Mjvb5 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeJoe88 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:24 am
BabyChark23 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:21 am

I think I’d rather have the 1.03 over Olave.
Same, particularly in SF. Now, if we’re talking G. Wilson…
I'm sorry but I can't justify jsn over olave even with as much as I love jsn and own no olave. Your quite literally hoping for him to be olave

Saying that the issue at wr is all the young wrs I prefer to 1.3 or are well lower than the pick in value. Most of the options are guys that are well old like diggs, kupp, Adams, dk mainly make sense for contenders
Well, yeah. Take the proved commodity every time. We HOPE JSN will be Olave.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble


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