2022 Rookie Battles: B. Hall vs. K. Walker III

[Bronco Billy]

Walker is in a real plus/minus situation. He’s a talented high pick going to a run first team. SEA is going to do everything they can to run game clock this year and shorten the games. There are going to be a ton of rushing attempts in that backfield and Walker figures to eat.

The downside is that SEA’s passing attack is so pathetic that they figure to face 8 in the box on a majority downs until they are forced to throw the ball in an effort to play catch up later in games. Those QBs scare absolutely no Ds in the NFL and if they don’t make a move for Mayfield they figure to be in a head to head competition with ATL, CHI and HOU for the worst passing attack in the NFL. It’s going to be some seriously tough sledding to put up even mediocre ypa and the RBs there are in for a beating.

Disagree with the last part, Im not gonna try to tell you that Lock is gonna break out or something. He stinks, thats clear. But he's not so inept that he cant get DK/Lockett the ball.

As long as the WR's are on the team, its gonna force teams to play more honest.

SEA should run the RPO every play with them both running go routes on the outside lol. If they cover the deep ball, let Walker eat all day, else just take shots at your deep threat WR's the whole game

With Lock at QB? RPO? Are you angling for a top 5 pick in 2023?

[thunderTung]

Walker is in a real plus/minus situation. He’s a talented high pick going to a run first team. SEA is going to do everything they can to run game clock this year and shorten the games. There are going to be a ton of rushing attempts in that backfield and Walker figures to eat.

The downside is that SEA’s passing attack is so pathetic that they figure to face 8 in the box on a majority downs until they are forced to throw the ball in an effort to play catch up later in games. Those QBs scare absolutely no Ds in the NFL and if they don’t make a move for Mayfield they figure to be in a head to head competition with ATL, CHI and HOU for the worst passing attack in the NFL. It’s going to be some seriously tough sledding to put up even mediocre ypa and the RBs there are in for a beating.

Disagree with the last part, Im not gonna try to tell you that Lock is gonna break out or something. He stinks, thats clear. But he's not so inept that he cant get DK/Lockett the ball.

As long as the WR's are on the team, its gonna force teams to play more honest.

SEA should run the RPO every play with them both running go routes on the outside lol. If they cover the deep ball, let Walker eat all day, else just take shots at your deep threat WR's the whole game

With Lock at QB? RPO? Are you angling for a top 5 pick in 2023?

lol that part was mostly in Jest. RPO's wouldnt really work for deep shots anyway. My main point just being that they have enough weapons on the outside that they can avoid stacked boxes the whole game, regardless if Lock is their QB

[mild]

Disagree with the last part, Im not gonna try to tell you that Lock is gonna break out or something. He stinks, thats clear. But he's not so inept that he cant get DK/Lockett the ball.

Are you sure you're ready to die on this hill?

[StripesOfKC]

Disagree with the last part, Im not gonna try to tell you that Lock is gonna break out or something. He stinks, thats clear. But he's not so inept that he cant get DK/Lockett the ball.

Are you sure you're ready to die on this hill?

If anything Lock>Baker for the WRs

He'll at least throw 50/50 and even 30/70 bombs

[StripesOfKC]

More I look into their profiles more I think Walker is closer to Richaad White than to Hall and wonder why this is even a question

[FantasyFreak]

More I look into their profiles more I think Walker is closer to Richaad White than to Hall and wonder why this is even a question

Somewhere in the middle, I'd say. It's the 1 year of production. Saying that, he was easily the best pure runner this year. His advanced metrics (Walker) were off the charts. He's 2 years younger than White, though. White doesn't belong in the conversation with either, IMO. Walker's profile has some blemishes, Breece's doesn't, but White's is worse than both. For me it was always Breece, then Walker, then everybody else.

[Bronco Billy]

Disagree with the last part, Im not gonna try to tell you that Lock is gonna break out or something. He stinks, thats clear. But he's not so inept that he cant get DK/Lockett the ball.

Are you sure you're ready to die on this hill?

If anything Lock>Baker for the WRs

He'll at least throw 50/50 and even 30/70 bombs

[gogobradyarm]

Walker is the better runner between the two, and I typically lean towards RB that can run. I'm not an expert, but I am comfortable saying Walker is a RB on the JT and Chubb running talent scale.

[StripesOfKC]

Are you sure you're ready to die on this hill?

If anything Lock>Baker for the WRs

He'll at least throw 50/50 and even 30/70 bombs

For fantasy

Just I’d rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick to support fanrasy WRs than Tua going 13/15 for 80 yards (a stat line Baker Mayfield is very used to)

[Bronco Billy]

If anything Lock>Baker for the WRs

He'll at least throw 50/50 and even 30/70 bombs

For fantasy

Just I’d rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick to support fanrasy WRs than Tua going 13/15 for 80 yards (a stat line Baker Mayfield is very used to)

Wow. How did Mayfield squeeze 167 games into his 4 year career so far? Talk about overachievers.

[StripesOfKC]

For fantasy

Just I’d rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick to support fanrasy WRs than Tua going 13/15 for 80 yards (a stat line Baker Mayfield is very used to)

Wow. How did Mayfield squeeze 167 games into his 4 year career so far? Talk about overachievers.

1 good year, 2 horrific years, 1 average year (which tbf was as a rookie and definitely good for a rookie)

He’s definitely in the running for DPOY shutting down OBJ and Landry

Might have been the only guy on the planet who could make them both look like bums

[FantasyFreak]

Walker is the better runner between the two, and I typically lean towards RB that can run. I'm not an expert, but I am comfortable saying Walker is a RB on the JT and Chubb running talent scale.

I love Walker, but I don't agree. Look what JT and Chubb did as freshman's. They were are on a higher level than Walker in college, and that's more a compliment to them, than a shot at Walker. This year, Walker was exceptional, but I'd still say he's a tick below those 2 on that scale.

[Mike11]

I sniff an opportunity to buy here with Walker. He’s definitely behind Breece but there’s a lot of perceived he can’t catch info and people so down on this class I think I would rather pay KWIIIs price than Javonte Williams. Which goes to say young RBs are worth their weight in gold and I wouldn’t be shocked if he takes a massive ADP jump next year.

[FantasyFreak]

I sniff an opportunity to buy here with Walker. He’s definitely behind Breece but there’s a lot of perceived he can’t catch info and people so down on this class I think I would rather pay KWIIIs price than Javonte Williams. Which goes to say young RBs are worth their weight in gold and I wouldn’t be shocked if he takes a massive ADP jump next year.

I think he will too. Pete Carroll, who is notoriously overly optimistic when talking about players, already insinuated our concerns about him playing on passing downs, however. Also heard a stat that in Carroll's entire tenure, the most receptions ever by his leading rusher is 37. Not a very good ceiling, unfortunately in the pass catching game.

To be clear, I don't see people saying he can't catch. People are conflating the idea that many are saying hasn't, and won't catch many passes, with the idea he can't catch a football, and I have seen literally nobody say the latter.

[FantasyFreak]

At this point, who cares. They both look awesome. Breece is so smooth, and Walker so sudden. Both these players are well on their way to being top 5 dynasty backs this off season, if they stay healthy, and I hope that they do. Breece may be RB1. There may be an off season argument of which is RB1 and which is RB2 if this keeps up. If you took either of them (or both ), you have to be really pleased with what you see.

It's like arguing what type of shape you like your gold to be. Walker is catching some passes, though he may never be quite as featured in the passing game, it's enough. Breece still seems to have the higher PPR upside currently, but both look like they are going to be high end young RB's. Both these kids are fun to watch.