Dynasty League Football Forum

wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:05 am

tstafford wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:39 am

Jigga94 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:37 pm

I need landing spots of course and formats will matter a bit here (# of starters is equally as important as TEP. TE is much less valuable in a league that starts 10+ vs a league that starts 8)

I mostly play SF/2QB and no TEP. Usually 8-10 starters. CW, MHJ, Maye and Nabers are above Bowers likely no matter what. I can see the case for Bowers at 1.05 though over Daniels if he doesn't get the draft cap or landing spot. I'm not convinced he's a top 10 pick, but we will see. He could go to a good spot if he falls a little too. Odunze is the other name most are taking over Bowers and I like him also, but WR are a dime a dozen these days.

I have the 1.05 in a league where I have built around QBs and WRs. I'm really considering Bowers here even though I've been against drafting rookie TE in the past. Of course will do my due diligence and trade out if possible. I just think Bowers is an Elite prospect and likely the best I've ever seen. Pitts was great. I liked Hockenson. There's been many other solid 1st round TE that have had wide ranges of careers. Bowers is on a different level imo. People are discounting the position (rightfully so), but has it gone too far? Is Bowers a slam dunk at a position that is nearly impossible to get an Elite talent? To have him behind Daniels or Odunze already seems a bit early to me, based on talent alone, but I can also see the case for them becoming the better fantasy assets.

I don't mean to be driving this Bowers Bus, as I've been trashing on drafting rookie TE for a while lol. I think he could be the exception to the rule though.

Understood. My POV:
Bowers: I'm with you on him. He's an elite prospect arguably better than Pitts was. With the right landing spot he could be a terrific FF asset. I took him in our '22 rookie/devy draft in a PPR league w/ 0.5 TEP. Generally I don't want to take devy players who aren't eligible the following year (too risky). But Bowers was worth it. Looks like that paid off because at the time the debate was b/w Mayer and Bowers. Kincaid and LaPorta were not really on the radar broadly speaking.

TE for FF: The problem with taking Bowers this early is of course the risk. History is very unkind to TEs. The position is the most impacted by situation. If he goes somewhere with decent odds that he is the #1 or #2 target recipient, it's fine to take him as early as wanted. The guys who are at the top of dynasty ranks mostly fit this criteria. It's a wait and see thing IMO.

League Settings: Your point about the number of required starters is a very good one. In a non-TEP, start 10 SF league (w/o DST) the TE is relatively unimportant. Could surely win the league punting the position entirely. Just play TEBC with guys like Kraft, Chig, JJ, etc. Save the draft capital for other positions. In TEP (or start 8) it's worth investing more heavily.

I'm glad I have Bowers in my 1QB SC TEP league. Would have FOMO if I didn't have a share. But In my SF league (non-TEP, start 10) I hold the 1.01, 1.05, 1.06, 1.10, 1.11 and likely won't reach for Bowers. If he falls to me at 1.10, I'll take him. But that's not going to happen. Of course I will reevaluate all of this after the NFL Draft.

So it if goes

1.01 Harrison (you)
1.02 Williams
1.03 Maye
1.04 Nabers
1.05 Daniels (you)
1.06—you're taking Odunze over Bowers here? I'd take Bowers.

hoos89 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:10 pm How much does Smith being fired affect people's ranking of Pitts?

Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:28 pm

hoos89 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:10 pm How much does Smith being fired affect people's ranking of Pitts?

It gives me hope but I'm not counting on a major bump in production. It's possible Pitts just isn't the guy we hoped he was.

TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:30 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:28 pm

hoos89 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:10 pm How much does Smith being fired affect people's ranking of Pitts?

It gives me hope but I'm not counting on a major bump in production. It's possible Pitts just isn't the guy we hoped he was.

He might be traded too

hoos89 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:10 pm How much does Smith being fired affect people's ranking of Pitts?

wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:25 pm

hoos89 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:10 pm How much does Smith being fired affect people's ranking of Pitts?

Arrow pointing up, but I moved all of my shares.

hoos89 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:10 pm How much does Smith being fired affect people's ranking of Pitts?

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:11 pm

TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:30 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:28 pm

It gives me hope but I'm not counting on a major bump in production. It's possible Pitts just isn't the guy we hoped he was.

He might be traded too

Now there’s an interesting take. Any player in the league might be traded, but to mention it specifically as it applies to conversation about a player I’m guessing you feel it is a relatively strong possibility. What information have you seen or what train of thought do you have that leads you down that path?

tstafford wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:48 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:11 pm

TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:30 pm

He might be traded too

Now there’s an interesting take. Any player in the league might be traded, but to mention it specifically as it applies to conversation about a player I’m guessing you feel it is a relatively strong possibility. What information have you seen or what train of thought do you have that leads you down that path?

FWIW - 2024 is the last year of his deal but the fifth year option is available. Projected to be ~$10.5M. Obviously a heck of a lot cheaper than a WR.

TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:44 pm

tstafford wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:48 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:11 pm

Now there’s an interesting take. Any player in the league might be traded, but to mention it specifically as it applies to conversation about a player I’m guessing you feel it is a relatively strong possibility. What information have you seen or what train of thought do you have that leads you down that path?

FWIW - 2024 is the last year of his deal but the fifth year option is available. Projected to be ~$10.5M. Obviously a heck of a lot cheaper than a WR.

Just thinking he could be included in a deal with the Bears for Fields. I’m just speculating

Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:49 pm

TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:44 pm

tstafford wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:48 pm

FWIW - 2024 is the last year of his deal but the fifth year option is available. Projected to be ~$10.5M. Obviously a heck of a lot cheaper than a WR.

Just thinking he could be included in a deal with the Bears for Fields. I’m just speculating

FWIW, I don't think Waldron runs a lot of 2TE sets. Usually seems to prefer 11's. In a trade involving a Pitts/Fields swap, I guess it would be interesting to see what happens with Kmet?

I don't think Fields is ending up in Atlanta though, so it probably won't matter.

TheTroll wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:40 am

Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:49 pm

TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:44 pm

Just thinking he could be included in a deal with the Bears for Fields. I’m just speculating

FWIW, I don't think Waldron runs a lot of 2TE sets. Usually seems to prefer 11's. In a trade involving a Pitts/Fields swap, I guess it would be interesting to see what happens with Kmet?

I don't think Fields is ending up in Atlanta though, so it probably won't matter.

Yeah, I was flirting with a fun trade concept for Fields prior to the OC being known. It might not make too much sense now for 2TEs but you’d never know. Kmet is solid regardless

Mike11 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:14 am

TheTroll wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:40 am

Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:49 pm

FWIW, I don't think Waldron runs a lot of 2TE sets. Usually seems to prefer 11's. In a trade involving a Pitts/Fields swap, I guess it would be interesting to see what happens with Kmet?

I don't think Fields is ending up in Atlanta though, so it probably won't matter.

Yeah, I was flirting with a fun trade concept for Fields prior to the OC being known. It might not make too much sense now for 2TEs but you’d never know. Kmet is solid regardless

I wouldn't be shocked if a real life team values Kmet more than Pitts honestly