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Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:11 am
by CGW
wickerkat1212 wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:28 pm I like Kamara, for now, and a few more years at least. People had him written off, was RB9 in my 1 PPR league. He's 28, still got it.

Agree on the Henry love, I'm still trotting him out (same team with Kamara on it).

Some under the tradar guys that could emerge—Conner, Ford, Warren, Jacobs, ZWhite, Chandler, Singletary, Allgeier, Brian Robinson.
Going to push back just a tiny bit on Kamara. I wouldn't say he's "still got it". He's still very productive in that system, but he hasn't run for a 30 yard play in three years. His longest play of the 2023 season was a 25 yard catch and run. His yards per carry are down. His yards per catch are down. It's very possible he is beginning to slow down a bit. But I do agree he will be fantasy relevant as long as he's on the field in New Orleans because of the sheer volume of targets he gets.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:54 am
by wickerkat1212
CGW wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:11 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:28 pm I like Kamara, for now, and a few more years at least. People had him written off, was RB9 in my 1 PPR league. He's 28, still got it.

Agree on the Henry love, I'm still trotting him out (same team with Kamara on it).

Some under the tradar guys that could emerge—Conner, Ford, Warren, Jacobs, ZWhite, Chandler, Singletary, Allgeier, Brian Robinson.
Going to push back just a tiny bit on Kamara. I wouldn't say he's "still got it". He's still very productive in that system, but he hasn't run for a 30 yard play in three years. His longest play of the 2023 season was a 25 yard catch and run. His yards per carry are down. His yards per catch are down. It's very possible he is beginning to slow down a bit. But I do agree he will be fantasy relevant as long as he's on the field in New Orleans because of the sheer volume of targets he gets.
Sure. And that's what I meant—targets, ppr, volume. So I think he's still a good RB1, not a GREAT RB1, and he'll certainly start to fade. Probably a few more years in him.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:02 am
by dhanks91
How are people valuing Tyjae Spears and D’andre Swift this offseason? What would be a good price point to acquire either guy?

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:26 am
by BabyChark23
dhanks91 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:02 am How are people valuing Tyjae Spears and D’andre Swift this offseason? What would be a good price point to acquire either guy?
I’d gladly pay an early 2nd for either which probably won’t get it done for Tyjae.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:49 am
by tstafford
BabyChark23 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:26 am
dhanks91 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:02 am How are people valuing Tyjae Spears and D’andre Swift this offseason? What would be a good price point to acquire either guy?
I’d gladly pay an early 2nd for either which probably won’t get it done for Tyjae.
As a Spears manager, I wouldn't take an early 2nd for him. But I can see why that's what would be offered.

Guessing he's one of those players where the bid/ask spread is too wide for a lot of deals to get done.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:02 am
by Prison_Mike
dhanks91 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:02 am How are people valuing Tyjae Spears and D’andre Swift this offseason? What would be a good price point to acquire either guy?
I'm cautiously optimistic about Swift. He showed durability this year, which was a big concern with him for a lot of managers. He also showed that he can be a productive runner in the right system. His best asset is probably his receiving ability and he didn't get much chance to showcase that this year.

Based on that skill set and his price tag (market seems to have him around a mid 2nd), I'm willing to buy

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:55 pm
by TheTroll
tstafford wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:49 am
BabyChark23 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:26 am
dhanks91 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:02 am How are people valuing Tyjae Spears and D’andre Swift this offseason? What would be a good price point to acquire either guy?
I’d gladly pay an early 2nd for either which probably won’t get it done for Tyjae.
As a Spears manager, I wouldn't take an early 2nd for him. But I can see why that's what would be offered.

Guessing he's one of those players where the bid/ask spread is too wide for a lot of deals to get done.
Agree here with Stafford

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:40 pm
by SoftwoodGrampian
Gotta be James Conner. Same thing each year

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:31 pm
by kmbryant09
kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:22 am I think Derrick Henry is a massive buy for any 2nd round pick. The Titans' OL was pretty bad last year but Henry's advanced metrics were still really, really good. It seems like he's heading towards a contender and I can think of a number of juicy destinations that could result in top10 production for another season or two: Baltimore, Philadelphia, Dallas, Cincinnati, Houston, LA Chargers, etc.

I'd rather invest in Henry for another 1-2 seasons than pay-up for younger, unproven guy like K. Miller or Z. Charbonnet. And I'd rather Henry's production & floor over some backs that I don't think have as firm of a grip on their starting role as the market would suggest like I. Pacheco, R. Stevenson, D. Swift, R. White (assuming Henry is cheaper than those guys).
Don't think many Henry owners are selling for a random 2nd at this point - pretty much a match made in heaven with the Baltimore Ravens. Given how unstable the RB position is year-to-year, there probably aren't 15+ RB's with more job security over the next 2 years as Henry has with the Ravens. And if Gus Edwards can produce 1,000 yards and 13 TDs on just 210 total touches, I firmly believe 1,200 total yards and 12+ TDs is the baseline expectations for Henry.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:17 pm
by Valhalla
kmbryant09 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:31 pm
kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:22 am I think Derrick Henry is a massive buy for any 2nd round pick. The Titans' OL was pretty bad last year but Henry's advanced metrics were still really, really good. It seems like he's heading towards a contender and I can think of a number of juicy destinations that could result in top10 production for another season or two: Baltimore, Philadelphia, Dallas, Cincinnati, Houston, LA Chargers, etc.

I'd rather invest in Henry for another 1-2 seasons than pay-up for younger, unproven guy like K. Miller or Z. Charbonnet. And I'd rather Henry's production & floor over some backs that I don't think have as firm of a grip on their starting role as the market would suggest like I. Pacheco, R. Stevenson, D. Swift, R. White (assuming Henry is cheaper than those guys).
Don't think many Henry owners are selling for a random 2nd at this point - pretty much a match made in heaven with the Baltimore Ravens. Given how unstable the RB position is year-to-year, there probably aren't 15+ RB's with more job security over the next 2 years as Henry has with the Ravens. And if Gus Edwards can produce 1,000 yards and 13 TDs on just 210 total touches, I firmly believe 1,200 total yards and 12+ TDs is the baseline expectations for Henry.
Would have been a great buy in the middle of last season...

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:59 pm
by BabyChark23
What’s Mixon worth now with the Texans?

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:05 pm
by Anteaters
BabyChark23 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:59 pmWhat’s Mixon worth now with the Texans?
Less than Mixon owners want, and more than I'm willing to pay.

But that's a purely personal pov. I think others who want Mixon should feel free to spend at least a 2nd to acquire him. I recognize his talent (and his new good position in Houston) but I've been irrationally afraid of Mixon since his second season.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:36 pm
by SoftwoodGrampian
BabyChark23 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:59 pm What’s Mixon worth now with the Texans?
Roughly the same. A hold. Seller wants more than buyer willing to pay. Meanwhile will finish as strong RB2.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:38 pm
by JoeJoe88
Kyren Williams has to be considering a decent winner at this point. I know some people still aren’t sold but he’s dodged essentially all of the guys now in free agency you’d be worried landing with the Rams at this point. They’ve also beefed up that OL.

Re: Unattractive RB buys

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:06 pm
by mild
JoeJoe88 wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:38 pm Kyren Williams has to be considering a decent winner at this point. I know some people still aren’t sold but he’s dodged essentially all of the guys now in free agency you’d be worried landing with the Rams at this point. They’ve also beefed up that OL.
Whose not sold on 2023's RB4?

He's a beast, and perfect for that system. He'd belong in the "attractive RB buys" thread imo :lol: