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dipANDglide wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:26 pm

StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:12 pm I think he is a solid player but also a sell at the moment

Dont get me wrong im not just selling for anything but I think it is very probable this is more of a hot stretch considering it is clearly an outlier in the sample size we have (of course it could be a year 3 breakout but we don’t really see many of those nowadays from WRs who did not do much before)

On the other hand Dell—im buying and taking an L on the prospect. Willing to pay above the market value too

Honestly though cant blame anyone for wanting someone tied to Stroud. He is like the perfect QB to have a WR tied to

Sure Mahomes or Allen would be great but there are Kelce/Diggs there and Allen will always vulture rush TDs

The Herberts, Burrows and Strouds on the other hand

I'm curious, what are you selling Collins for?

So using KTC, I would sell for: Dak Prescott, Tank Dell, a mid first in any year, depending on team circumstances Kyle Pitts, Diontae Johnson+Michael Wilson, Marvin Mims+Greg Dulcich, or adding a bit to Collins for Kyler Murray, Christian Watson or Drake London (though like with Pitts only do this if you can afford the loss of points this year)

There are some guys I'm in "get this guy off my team before another week is played" level sell mode. Don't think he's that

He's not that in my view but is priced around guys I'd rather have

mild wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:06 pm

Two Cents wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:59 pm for a start 2 TE, TEP league it’s not a terrible dart throw. Say what you will Nico alone was the best dynasty piece in the deal. Everything else was just a lot of icing.

You sold during the peak of Josh Jacob's 2022 Rushing Champ value.

You could have gotten more at the time. Hindsight is a lovely thing.

Nico Collins is still valued less than Josh Jacobs by most sites, but I agree that if you're a rebuilder (and I'm guessing you are) you've got the right piece.

Happy for you tho

Hindsight is your bread and butter when roasting the entire forum for hot takes

trc wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:52 pm Hindsight is your bread and butter when roasting the entire forum for hot takes

Try the Jalen Hurts and Jerome Ford threads for some foresight; I've got multitudes babe, I promise.

And hey, if that's all it takes to make people think critically, and prevent people starting the "All Things Texans" thread, then I'll consider it a service well rendered.

I've gotten plenty of things wrong too, and I own it when I do. Nico's a lovely player, and I'm happy that 2 cents got a well-needed W on the DLF board. I hope he continues his hot streak of getting good calls right; it'd be a shame to have to drag up something from last year to take a lap on - ya know?

mild wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:06 am

trc wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:52 pm Hindsight is your bread and butter when roasting the entire forum for hot takes

Try the Jalen Hurts and Jerome Ford threads for some foresight; I've got multitudes babe, I promise.

And hey, if that's all it takes to make people think critically, and prevent people starting the "All Things Texans" thread, then I'll consider it a service well rendered.

I've gotten plenty of things wrong too, and I own it when I do. Nico's a lovely player, and I'm happy that 2 cents got a well-needed W on the DLF board. I hope he continues his hot streak of getting good calls right; it'd be a shame to have to drag up something from last year to take a lap on - ya know?

Wasn't meant to imply you didn't contribute with perspectives etc. Just a friendly jab

StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:12 pm I think he is a solid player but also a sell at the moment

Dont get me wrong im not just selling for anything but I think it is very probable this is more of a hot stretch considering it is clearly an outlier in the sample size we have (of course it could be a year 3 breakout but we don’t really see many of those nowadays from WRs who did not do much before)

On the other hand Dell—im buying and taking an L on the prospect. Willing to pay above the market value too

Honestly though cant blame anyone for wanting someone tied to Stroud. He is like the perfect QB to have a WR tied to

Sure Mahomes or Allen would be great but there are Kelce/Diggs there and Allen will always vulture rush TDs

The Herberts, Burrows and Strouds on the other hand

Agree with this!

I'm a huge Nico fan. The guy is going to be solid and contribute to the real-life team consistently. But I think Dell will ultimately be the more productive fantasy player. I would compare it sort of to the situation in Minny when Thielen had a few very good seasons, then JJ came along and was the better fantasy WR. Not comparing Dell+Nico to JJ+Thielen as talents ... just how the situation changed one Thielen from low-end WR1 upside to a steady WR2 for fantasy and JJ was the teammate with WR1 production.

I think Nico will produce more like Thielen in that comparison. Dell has more explosiveness and big play ability.

I'm not sure I'd be too quick to trade Nico, though. I'd be happy to hold both if I had both. At least for the short term.

I sold him for Aaron Jones and a 2nd/3rd pick swap on a contender where I'm starting Pacheco, Moss, and Williams. As of now, it's cost me one week. But thems the breaks...

trc wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:01 am

mild wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:06 am

trc wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:52 pm Hindsight is your bread and butter when roasting the entire forum for hot takes

Try the Jalen Hurts and Jerome Ford threads for some foresight; I've got multitudes babe, I promise.

And hey, if that's all it takes to make people think critically, and prevent people starting the "All Things Texans" thread, then I'll consider it a service well rendered.

I've gotten plenty of things wrong too, and I own it when I do. Nico's a lovely player, and I'm happy that 2 cents got a well-needed W on the DLF board. I hope he continues his hot streak of getting good calls right; it'd be a shame to have to drag up something from last year to take a lap on - ya know?

Wasn't meant to imply you didn't contribute with perspectives etc. Just a friendly jab

Same. It’s all in fun.

I personally appreciate hot takes and sparring. Reflecting back on our opinions isn’t an indictment on anyone in particular. I think it’s humbling, and entertaining, to reflect on what we once believed and measure them against the current reality and what we currently believed. There’s a story in that. What good is it to have opinions if we don’t hold ourselves to them and measure them up in hindsight? To me it’s in the same spirit as bragging rights. It’s all part of the experience.

We talk so much about the difference between dynasty and redraft. My over arching points to digging this trade were to
A) yes, give myself kudos
B) banter with Mild
C) highlight - isn’t that the kind of trade we strive for in dynasty when rebuilding?
D) Also highlight the amount of bias in pedigree. If this were Garrett Wilson (1st round) or Christian Watson (2nd round) the value would somehow be inflated in comparison to Nico (3rd round). I find lots of opportunity in these spaces. I’m a bargain shopper. The thrift store is my friend.

I appreciate when people put up or shut up. Mild, This remark about Nico was in January - not last year. The fact that being confronted about it illicits a defensive response just makes it seem like you have a hard time going down without a fight, even when the fight was with something YOU SAID. You put up when you’re confident, and put out when you’re right, but have a hard time shutting up and owning it when you’re in the red.

I’m just curious why people were so low on a Nico Collins that had Davis Mills as a QB and Brandin Cooks opposite of him. Putting Tank above Collins makes no sense either. They were both 3rd round WRs and have complimentary skill sets. If I could trade one for the other ++ I’d do it.

Two Cents wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 6:08 am

trc wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:01 am

mild wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:06 am

Try the Jalen Hurts and Jerome Ford threads for some foresight; I've got multitudes babe, I promise.

And hey, if that's all it takes to make people think critically, and prevent people starting the "All Things Texans" thread, then I'll consider it a service well rendered.

I've gotten plenty of things wrong too, and I own it when I do. Nico's a lovely player, and I'm happy that 2 cents got a well-needed W on the DLF board. I hope he continues his hot streak of getting good calls right; it'd be a shame to have to drag up something from last year to take a lap on - ya know?

Wasn't meant to imply you didn't contribute with perspectives etc. Just a friendly jab

Same. It’s all in fun.

I personally appreciate hot takes and sparring. Reflecting back on our opinions isn’t an indictment on anyone in particular. I think it’s humbling, and entertaining, to reflect on what we once believed and measure them against the current reality and what we currently believed. There’s a story in that. What good is it to have opinions if we don’t hold ourselves to them and measure them up in hindsight? To me it’s in the same spirit as bragging rights. It’s all part of the experience.

We talk so much about the difference between dynasty and redraft. My over arching points to digging this trade were to
A) yes, give myself kudos
B) banter with Mild
C) highlight - isn’t that the kind of trade we strive for in dynasty when rebuilding?
D) Also highlight the amount of bias in pedigree. If this were Garrett Wilson (1st round) or Christian Watson (2nd round) the value would somehow be inflated in comparison to Nico (3rd round). I find lots of opportunity in these spaces. I’m a bargain shopper. The thrift store is my friend.

I appreciate when people put up or shut up. Mild, This remark about Nico was in January - not last year. The fact that being confronted about it illicits a defensive response just makes it seem like you have a hard time going down without a fight, even when the fight was with something YOU SAID. You put up when you’re confident, and put out when you’re right, but have a hard time shutting up and owning it when you’re in the red.

I’m just curious why people were so low on a Nico Collins that had Davis Mills as a QB and Brandin Cooks opposite of him. Putting Tank above Collins makes no sense either. They were both 3rd round WRs and have complimentary skill sets. If I could trade one for the other ++ I’d do it.

Nico was a tough eval. 3rd round draft capital that really didn't show a ton despite a pretty wide open depth chart. You elude to Brandin Cooks across him, but that really wasn't holding back anyone. Mills wasn't it, but we still expect to see some flashes even with a sub par QB. We are in an age where the majority of WR studs show up year one. Just look at all the young WRs in the top tiers - JJ, chase, ARSB, lamb, Olave, AJB, waddle, Smith, Wilson, Aiyuk, DK, Higgins. Every one of these guys put up 900+ yards in their rookie season.

When Nico put up 400ish yards in two back to back seasons, it was just tough to assume he would ascend to those top tiers. Holding was absolutely the right call, and I applaud anyone who was able to do so. Cash in those receipts.

CGW wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 6:29 amWhen Nico put up 400ish yards in two back to back seasons, it was just tough to assume he would ascend to those top tiers. Holding was absolutely the right call, and I applaud anyone who was able to do so. Cash in those receipts.

Indeed it was a tough call, and it was also the right call to hold.
I'm ok with anyone taking a victory lap if they held Nico from drafting him till now.

Anteaters wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:10 pm Indeed it was a tough call, and it was also the right call to hold.
I'm ok with anyone taking a victory lap if they held Nico from drafting him till now.

Drafted him in my startup and in year 2 (last year), regrettably traded Nico for Peoples-Jones in week 9.

Collins was injured, I had multiple bye issues and WR injuries, and needed a healthy, semi-productive WR4 with some upside to start the rest of the way on my playoff run. DPJ was decent the rest of the way too, close if not sometimes better to what Nico had been.

Anyway, "well, well, well... how the turn tables..." in '23. Yeesh!

“Nico was a tough eval. 3rd round draft capital that really didn't show a ton despite a pretty wide open depth chart. You elude to Brandin Cooks across him, but that really wasn't holding back anyone. Mills wasn't it, but we still expect to see some flashes even with a sub par QB. We are in an age where the majority of WR studs show up year one. Just look at all the young WRs in the top tiers - JJ, chase, ARSB, lamb, Olave, AJB, waddle, Smith, Wilson, Aiyuk, DK, Higgins. Every one of these guys put up 900+ yards in their rookie season.

When Nico put up 400ish yards in two back to back seasons, it was just tough to assume he would ascend to those top tiers. Holding was absolutely the right call, and I applaud anyone who was able to do so. Cash in those receipts.“

LOVIE f’n SMITH & others who had no offensive idea … only time he played to win on offense was in his last game when he threw caution to the wind and cost the Texans the #1 overall pick (which ironically led them to getting Stroud)

Montana to Rice
Manning to Harrison
Rodgers to Adams
Stroud to Nico Collins......

Highest Yards/target, min 10 targets
Mims-22
Aiyuk-16
Wilson-14.8
Nico-13.4
Waddle-13.1

Anteaters wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:10 pm

CGW wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 6:29 amWhen Nico put up 400ish yards in two back to back seasons, it was just tough to assume he would ascend to those top tiers. Holding was absolutely the right call, and I applaud anyone who was able to do so. Cash in those receipts.

Indeed it was a tough call, and it was also the right call to hold.
I'm ok with anyone taking a victory lap if they held Nico from drafting him till now.

Nico was an easy hold given HOU's QB situation the past couple of years, his impressive film despite his lack of production and the lack of WR competition going into the year.

I do think he's running a little hot right now and is being elevated by Stroud playing beyond his years but he's a solid WR talent that has made the best of his opportunity the past couple of seasons.

jordanzs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:01 pm Montana to Rice
Manning to Harrison
Rodgers to Adams
Stroud to Nico Collins......

You left out Stafford to Nacua.

As to the topic at hand, I’m happy to see Nico finally break out. Held him since his rookie year in one league, but traded him this offseason in the other. That deal netted me a couple early 2nds that turned into Achane and Rice, though, so that makes it easier to sleep at night. Haha.