Jay Ajayi - Red flagged after medical re-checks

[Jecked]

This is a good spot. Lamar in a contract year. Dolphins might have got their 3 down workhorse!

A guy with a bone on bone knee issue?

[ninotoreS]

Maybe because it wasn't bone on bone but got worse over time after the initial injury? You guys act like this has never happened before. I like Ajayi and it's too bad but I really laugh at people saying it was a smokescreen and they were drafting him in the first no matter what.

Bud, if it progressively got worse over his collegiate career, it would show up on his tape / stats his final year in college. But it doesn't. At all. That's the point.

It also didn't appear to limit him whatsoever in his Combine drills. Do you understand that cartilage is necessary for cushion, without which use of the joint is agony? Unless "bone on bone" is a gross exaggeration, then any strenuous movement with that knee had to have been extremely painful. There must fire where there's this much smoke. Every team passed on a first-round talent like Ajayi until Day 3, so the issue must be real. But it's still bizarre, because Ajayi looked like a man among boys right up till his final game, ripping Arizona a new one in the Fiesta Bowl a few months ago.

I mean, at this point I'm having to speculate that team trainers were giving him massive-dosage painkilling injections in his knee every Saturday (would that even work?), and somehow it's been kept a secret from everyone. I hate being forced to resort to conspiracy theory to explain something mundane.

You guys act like this has never happened before.

Then post something useful and give us a similar precedent, and you can't use someone that got seriously injured at some point in their final college year, obviously.

[FantasyFreak]

Maybe because it wasn't bone on bone but got worse over time after the initial injury? You guys act like this has never happened before. I like Ajayi and it's too bad but I really laugh at people saying it was a smokescreen and they were drafting him in the first no matter what.

Bud, if it progressively got worse over his collegiate career, it would show up on his tape / stats his final year in college. But it doesn't. At all. That's the point.

It also didn't appear to limit him whatsoever in his Combine drills. Do you understand that cartilage is necessary for cushion, without which use of the joint is agony? Unless "bone on bone" is a gross exaggeration, then any strenuous movement with that knee had to have been extremely painful. There must fire where there's this much smoke. Every team passed on a first-round talent like Ajayi until Day 3, so the issue must be real. But it's still bizarre, because Ajayi looked like a man among boys right up till his final game, ripping Arizona a new one in the Fiesta Bowl a few months ago.

I mean, at this point I'm having to speculate that team trainers were giving him massive-dosage painkilling injections in his knee every Saturday (would that even work?), and somehow it's been kept a secret from everyone. I hate being forced to resort to conspiracy theory to explain something mundane.

You guys act like this has never happened before.

Then post something useful and give us a similar precedent, and you can't use someone that got seriously injured at some point in their final college year, obviously.

First round talent? That's not the consensus grade on him.

Obviously teams are concerned enough about the knee that he slipped 3 rounds. Most seem to view it like a ticking time bomb. Obviously for FF purposes it becomes a risky pick as well. My fantasy football team doesn't have a team doctor, so I have to base my assessment on the fact he fell 3 full rounds due to injury concerns when evaluating when to pick a player.

[57bronc]

I won't spend a 1st on jay but if he falls to me at 2.07 I will take him.

[voiceofunreason]

Then post something useful and give us a similar precedent, and you can't use someone that got seriously injured at some point in their final college year, obviously.

There's 100s of rbs picked 5th round or later and a handful of players who've had success. It's that simple. Yet you get guys on here before the draft saying that it's irrelevant and they are picking Ajayi in the first round no matter what happens.

[Fantasyfanatic11]

Would you take a chance and draft him at 2.09?

[Death_From_Above]

He fell to me yesterday at 2.6.. I drafted him at 2.6.. and didnt look back.

I also had the 2.8 which I followed up with Duke Johnson and 3.1 for Mike Davis (12 team league)

[rock-hammerson]

This is a good spot. Lamar in a contract year. Dolphins might have got their 3 down workhorse!

A guy with a bone on bone knee issue?

I saw 0 reports of it being bone on bone? where did you see that? Even Jene Bramel from football guys has brought up it being bone on bone. I think he's a steal in the early to mid second round.

[Jecked]

This is a good spot. Lamar in a contract year. Dolphins might have got their 3 down workhorse!

A guy with a bone on bone knee issue?

I saw 0 reports of it being bone on bone? where did you see that? Even Jene Bramel from football guys has brought up it being bone on bone. I think he's a steal in the early to mid second round.

Mike Mayock, said there is little cartilage in his knee left.

[rock-hammerson]

I meant to say Bramel hasn't brought up it being bone on bone. sorry about that!

[ajmyk]

He fell to me yesterday at 2.6.. I drafted him at 2.6.. and didnt look back.

I also had the 2.8 which I followed up with Duke Johnson and 3.1 for Mike Davis (12 team league)

Duke at 2.8 is a steal, especially in PPR.

[holy_stromboli]

Bump...

I have a draft coming up this weekend... where is everyone at these days on Ajayi? Where have people been picking him in their drafts? Is he still an early 2nd rounder?

[Telperion]

There are 3 camps:

- Ignore the fact that 32 GM's passed on him for 4+ rounds, he's a 2nd round grade in a good situation.
- Ignore the 2nd round pre draft grade; he was a 5th round pick and those succeed next to never.
- Draft him on community perceived value and flip at the first sign of promise.

Those 3 camps value at early 2nd, mid 3rd, and mid 2nd respectively.

[matrixinla]

If he is still there at 2.07 in my 12 team rookie draft I am taking him.

[ajmyk]

There are 3 camps:

- Ignore the fact that 32 GM's passed on him for 4+ rounds, he's a 2nd round grade in a good situation.
- Ignore the pre draft grade, he was a 5th round pick and those succeed next to never.
- Draft him on community perceived value and flip at the first sign of promise.

Those 3 camps value at early 2nd, mid 3rd, and mid 2nd respectively.

I'm in neither of these group.

- I do ignore the medical fact/draft pedigree
- But I don't agree he is in good situation. Miller stepped up as a clear full-time lead back by the end of the season, and no-one noticed.
- Based on talent and potential only, I have him 4th in the RB class (I see Coleman and Abdullah as far lesser NFL player but better situation) . And yet, I still have some doubts he could success in the NFL.