Percy Harvin!?

[Cy23]

I'm not sure how I would value him with New England.

Prior to his injury, he was the no.1 WR in all of FF in my league. With Christian Ponder. I would value him as a top 2 WR. But I think he's top 4WR right now.

Some of that is sample bias (he might have had a few bad games had he not been injured), some of that is due to lack of other weapons. Being the #1 WR at week 9 of this year doesn't mean he would be the #1 in New England.

Honestly, I'd love to see him in New England, especially after today's loss, but I don't think I could guarantee he would be anything other than just top ten consistently. But that is good enough for me. Anyone who thinks a WR can consistently be top 3 is delusional or a Calvin Johnson owner.

[Spinkso]

I'm not sure how I would value him with New England.

Prior to his injury, he was the no.1 WR in all of FF in my league. With Christian Ponder. I would value him as a top 2 WR. But I think he's top 4WR right now.

Some of that is sample bias (he might have had a few bad games had he not been injured), some of that is due to lack of other weapons. Being the #1 WR at week 9 of this year doesn't mean he would be the #1 in New England.

Honestly, I'd love to see him in New England, especially after today's loss, but I don't think I could guarantee he would be anything other than just top ten consistently. But that is good enough for me. Anyone who thinks a WR can consistently be top 3 is delusional or a Calvin Johnson owner.

Percy Harvin is the most dynamic playmaker in the NFL. In my league in 2011 he finished as WR5, and that was with maddening usage throughout the year. They finally figured out how to use him correctly, and from weeks 1-8 he was the no.1 scoring player at RB or WR. He had a 20 point lead on the WR2 at the time. We can talk sample bias, but he did it last year with awful usage from the OC. He was a beast monster for the games he played in this year. I'm looking at every game he's played in since 2011... No sample bias.

Just curious who would be the no.1 in New England if Harvin was there? It would be Harvin. Without a doubt. If Harvin were to end up in New England, we can assume that Welker is gone and Harvin is playing the slot role... Harvin gets the targets, but is a terror after the catch. One thing the Pats know how to do is use their weapons properly. You're already scared of Hernandez and Gronkowski destroying you, how are you going to stop Harvin in the slot? No idea where your "delusional" shot came from, as I said he'd be top 2 WR with New England and he's top 4 right now.

[Cy23]

Prior to his injury, he was the no.1 WR in all of FF in my league. With Christian Ponder. I would value him as a top 2 WR. But I think he's top 4WR right now.

Some of that is sample bias (he might have had a few bad games had he not been injured), some of that is due to lack of other weapons. Being the #1 WR at week 9 of this year doesn't mean he would be the #1 in New England.

Honestly, I'd love to see him in New England, especially after today's loss, but I don't think I could guarantee he would be anything other than just top ten consistently. But that is good enough for me. Anyone who thinks a WR can consistently be top 3 is delusional or a Calvin Johnson owner.

Percy Harvin is the most dynamic playmaker in the NFL. In my league in 2011 he finished as WR5, and that was with maddening usage throughout the year. They finally figured out how to use him correctly, and from weeks 1-8 he was the no.1 scoring player at RB or WR. He had a 20 point lead on the WR2 at the time. We can talk sample bias, but he did it last year with awful usage from the OC. He was a beast monster for the games he played in this year. I'm looking at every game he's played in since 2011... No sample bias.

Just curious who would be the no.1 in New England if Harvin was there? It would be Harvin. Without a doubt. If Harvin were to end up in New England, we can assume that Welker is gone and Harvin is playing the slot role... Harvin gets the targets, but is a terror after the catch. One thing the Pats know how to do is use their weapons properly. You're already scared of Hernandez and Gronkowski destroying you, how are you going to stop Harvin in the slot? No idea where your "delusional" shot came from, as I said he'd be top 2 WR with New England and he's top 4 right now.

The delusional wasn't a shot at you, sorry. It was more meant that even the stud WR's are not consistently top 3, except for Calvin Johnson.

You can say Harvin is the most talented WR in the league and I won't debate it (past Calvin Johnson himself). But even the most talented (Fitz, Andre etc.) have had trouble being consistently top 5. Therefore, while I agree with you that Harvin might be in my list of top 4 WR I want to own, that doesn't guarantee he is #4 or better in FF next year.

(And Harvin would be the WR1 in NE, I meant #1 overall WR if he went to New England. Again, my point is that I don't think he is guaranteed to end up top 5 if he were to go to NE)

[allpurple]

Welker plus 10% IMO is his upside. To paint Harvin in NE as a top 5 WR over all is a stretch. I got Calvin, Green, D
Thomas , Marshal , Bryant , Julio, Roddy, Jordy. All ahead of Harvin easy. Harvin is an incredible talent however, they have so many mouths they feed. Gronks , Ridley, Hernandez , Lloyd and now Vereen. I can't see them giving up that balanced offense which is almost injury proof to force the ball into Harvin.

Time will tell but I doubt they pay Harvin 14 -16 mill anyway. So its a non issue. With the money Cincy has, and the issues Dalton has, Cincy has to be thinking Harvin is a priority. If Mike Brown has a lapse in sanity he will head to Cincy. Marvin Lewis has to be thinking of that as his next request.

[KMA]

I like Harvin better than Jordy Nelson, D. Thomas, and Roddy White. I need to see that Thomas can sustain elite production after Manning. Just me though.

[TryingToWin]

lol dudes, I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it. I've clearly contributed to this thread a few times now. I just think it's funny that such a purely hypothetical scenario has gathered so much steam. I think that's the allure of players going to NE or GB or w/e- the possibilities are so tantalizing we all get carried away.

I agree, I don't know why we are talking about this to this extent. We should wait for something to start brewing before a 6 page thread starts to run-off.

[allpurple]

I like Harvin better than Jordy Nelson, D. Thomas, and Roddy White. I need to see that Thomas can sustain elite production after Manning. Just me though.

2011 DEN Games 11 32 Rec 70 targets 551 yards 17.2
2012 DEN Games 16 94 Rec 141 targets 1,434 yards 15.3

Coming off an injury with a horrid QB he was more effective on less targets in fewer games.
Roddy
2007 ATL 16 83 137 1,202 14.5 69 6 52 3 2
2008 ATL 16 88 148 1,382 15.7 70 7 61 1 1
2009 ATL 16 85 165 1,153 13.6 90 11 54 1 0
2010 ATL 16 115 179 1,389 12.1 46 10 73 1 1
2011 ATL 16 100 181 1,296 13.0 43 8 77 0 0
2012 ATL 16 92 143 1,351 14.7 59 7 73 1 0

Jordy's numbers do not support him going above Harvin but with Jennings out of town nwxt year Jordy if healthy is ready for a huge season. in 2013.

Percy Harvin

2009 MIN 15 60 91 790 13.2 51 6 42 1 0
2010 MIN 14 71 110 868 12.2 53 5 41 0 0
2011 MIN 16 87 123 967 11.1 52 6 45 2 2
2012 MIN 9 62 85 677 10.9 45 3 36 0 0

His ypc is troubling low compared to his competition. 123 967 11.1 is not great and he was on pace for 120 1200 10.9. A FF PPR god but in real football no single WR should or would command that much of an offensive focal point.

[KMA]

I would prefer Harvins youth. Granted, Roddy has been the model of consistency but no way I trade Harvin straight up for Jordy or White. I can possibly see the argument for Thomas but it comes down to preference for me.

[KMA]

We can cross Minnesota off the list of destinations. New team for Percy certain.

[TheOracle]

That's almost definitely a good thing, right? I can't imagine anywhere other than maybe Arizona or Tennessee being a step down. Even Cleveland would seem like a lateral move at worst.

[TryingToWin]

That's almost definitely a good thing, right? I can't imagine anywhere other than maybe Arizona or Tennessee being a step down. Even Cleveland would seem like a lateral move at worst.

Just pray it isn't the Jets.

[TryingToWin]

What I am thinking about is how much of a positive impact he will have on his new QB.

[TheOracle]

What I am thinking about is how much of a positive impact he will have on his new QB.

Well if it's Brady, I'd assume that's essentially nothing. I like him more than Welker, but I'd be worried about it taking a year before developing the same kind of chemistry.

The team I'd love to see do it is Indy. They still have Wayne who can run the full route try and move the chains and Hilton to stretch the field. Harvin, playing opposite Wayne, would be ridiculous for Luck. It would probably subdue the Hilton hype a tad.

St. Louis is another team that has the picks to make it happen and the need at WR. I'd think that'd be a big boost for Bradford as well. Harvin would fill Amendola's role and then some.

Perhaps Kansas City? Carolina? I'm excited to see how this plays out.

[ccj]

What I am thinking about is how much of a positive impact he will have on his new QB.

Well if it's Brady, I'd assume that's essentially nothing. I like him more than Welker, but I'd be worried about it taking a year before developing the same kind of chemistry.

The team I'd love to see do it is Indy. They still have Wayne who can run the full route try and move the chains and Hilton to stretch the field. Harvin, playing opposite Wayne, would be ridiculous for Luck. It would probably subdue the Hilton hype a tad.

St. Louis is another team that has the picks to make it happen and the need at WR. I'd think that'd be a big boost for Bradford as well. Harvin would fill Amendola's role and then some.

Perhaps Kansas City? Carolina? I'm excited to see how this plays out.

I believe I mentioned St Louis way back in this thread, but that was before they picked up Titus Young. That WRs coach would deserve a big raise if that happened. I'd love to see Bradford put up a better fantasy season than Stafford though, just for the lols.

[allpurple]

Looks like Welker and the Pats are edging closer to a two year deal. Percys market is closing. He'll be a viking next year.