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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby DJB » Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:10 pm

Pretty much done my RB scouting . Here are my top 5

1. Jeanty
2. Kaleb Johnson
3. T Henderson
4. Hampton
5. Judkins

I’m not seeing perhaps what everyone else is seeing in 4 and 5. I see two sluggish guys that lack either burst (Hampton) and or speed (Judkins)

They are closer to plodders than elite RB’s for me despite them being physically built to be 3 down RB’s.

Maybe im missing something I don’t know
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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby DJB » Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:23 pm

Mason Taylor is the most underrated and not spoken about player in this draft. I absolutely love his film and he really pops on tape.

I think at minimum he’s my TE2 atm but I would not be surprised if he has a better fantasy career than Warren.

Speaking of Warren, man he looks like Kittle out there . A do it all TE who OC’s will love to use in pass protection and the run game on top of being a weapon
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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby tstafford » Wed Feb 12, 2025 9:38 am

DJB wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:23 pm Mason Taylor is the most underrated and not spoken about player in this draft. I absolutely love his film and he really pops on tape.

I think at minimum he’s my TE2 atm but I would not be surprised if he has a better fantasy career than Warren.

Speaking of Warren, man he looks like Kittle out there . A do it all TE who OC’s will love to use in pass protection and the run game on top of being a weapon
Interesting take on Taylor. I've seen other folks who think he's behind even Arroyo. A lot of that is coming out of Senior Bowl performances.

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby DJB » Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:27 pm

tstafford wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 9:38 am
DJB wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:23 pm Mason Taylor is the most underrated and not spoken about player in this draft. I absolutely love his film and he really pops on tape.

I think at minimum he’s my TE2 atm but I would not be surprised if he has a better fantasy career than Warren.

Speaking of Warren, man he looks like Kittle out there . A do it all TE who OC’s will love to use in pass protection and the run game on top of being a weapon
Interesting take on Taylor. I've seen other folks who think he's behind even Arroyo. A lot of that is coming out of Senior Bowl performances.
I’m hoping I can nab him late in a few drafts

Definitely will be interested in the combine for these TE’s. Guys are really going to move up and down the rankings
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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:20 pm

DJB wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:27 pm
tstafford wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 9:38 am
DJB wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:23 pm Mason Taylor is the most underrated and not spoken about player in this draft. I absolutely love his film and he really pops on tape.

I think at minimum he’s my TE2 atm but I would not be surprised if he has a better fantasy career than Warren.

Speaking of Warren, man he looks like Kittle out there . A do it all TE who OC’s will love to use in pass protection and the run game on top of being a weapon
Interesting take on Taylor. I've seen other folks who think he's behind even Arroyo. A lot of that is coming out of Senior Bowl performances.
I’m hoping I can nab him late in a few drafts

Definitely will be interested in the combine for these TE’s. Guys are really going to move up and down the rankings
Where do you think he'll go in SF TEP leagues? Where would I have to trade in to get him? (I have no picks.)
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QB—Allen, Carr, Darnold, JJM, Rattler RB—Gibbs, Kamara, Ford, Lloyd, Mason, Laube WR—Lamb, Nabers, MHJ, DJM, MWilson, JBaker, Cooks, Boutte, Atwell, Patrick TE—Engram, Jonnu, Muth, Theo, Strange PK—Ryland DEF—BAL, CHI

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QB—TLaw, Darnold, MJones, AOC, Rattler RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Mason, Benson, McLaughlin, Estime, Badie WR—Jefferson, Odunze, Deebo, DAdams, KAllen, Tolbert, Boutte, Corley TE—Kelce, Ertz, Gray,Theo, Fant PK—Butker, McM DEF—CHI, LVR

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:15 pm

Mason Taylor has a pretty low YPR (10.1), I tend to avoid guys like that. Typically it means they aren’t athletic, or if they are athletic that they’re not very good. I haven’t studied the ypr numbers in a few years, but as of a couple years ago it was a bad sign

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby DJB » Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:19 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:15 pm Mason Taylor has a pretty low YPR (10.1), I tend to avoid guys like that. Typically it means they aren’t athletic, or if they are athletic that they’re not very good. I haven’t studied the ypr numbers in a few years, but as of a couple years ago it was a bad sign
He looks extremely athletic on tape that jumped out at me immediately. Yes he didn’t get a lot of balls his way so that maybe the reason for th low YPR
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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby 81- » Wed Feb 12, 2025 5:09 pm

Taylor has good blood lines. Hof dad and hof uncle.
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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:43 pm

DJB wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:19 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:15 pm Mason Taylor has a pretty low YPR (10.1), I tend to avoid guys like that. Typically it means they aren’t athletic, or if they are athletic that they’re not very good. I haven’t studied the ypr numbers in a few years, but as of a couple years ago it was a bad sign
He looks extremely athletic on tape that jumped out at me immediately. Yes he didn’t get a lot of balls his way so that maybe the reason for th low YPR
What do you think is the cause for his low ypc then. Does he go down at the slightest contact? Or just a laughably low ADOT or something.

Edit: even in his highlight video about half his targets were behind the LOS, I guess that sort of explains it a bit

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby BabyChark23 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:09 am

Travis Hunter will attend Combine as a CB.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/travis-hun ... 20decision.

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby 81- » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:40 am

BabyChark23 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:09 am Travis Hunter will attend Combine as a CB.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/travis-hun ... 20decision.
Bummer.

I didn't want him, but somebody would have taken him and pushed other options my way

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby tstafford » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:41 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:20 pm
DJB wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:27 pm
tstafford wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 9:38 am

Interesting take on Taylor. I've seen other folks who think he's behind even Arroyo. A lot of that is coming out of Senior Bowl performances.
I’m hoping I can nab him late in a few drafts

Definitely will be interested in the combine for these TE’s. Guys are really going to move up and down the rankings
Where do you think he'll go in SF TEP leagues? Where would I have to trade in to get him? (I have no picks.)
So hard to know prior to combine, FA, draft process and draft.

If I was hunting a TE right now I'd rather trade for Johnson, Sanders or Sinnot.

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby tstafford » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:43 am

81- wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:40 am
BabyChark23 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:09 am Travis Hunter will attend Combine as a CB.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/travis-hun ... 20decision.
Bummer.

I didn't want him, but somebody would have taken him and pushed other options my way
Exactly. Would have slightly strengthened the back half of the first round by pushing guys down. Someone would have bitten on him in the top-6 if he was going to play 90% WR. Still might happen.

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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Thu Feb 13, 2025 12:27 pm

tstafford wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:43 am
81- wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:40 am
BabyChark23 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:09 am Travis Hunter will attend Combine as a CB.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/travis-hun ... 20decision.
Bummer.

I didn't want him, but somebody would have taken him and pushed other options my way
Exactly. Would have slightly strengthened the back half of the first round by pushing guys down. Someone would have bitten on him in the top-6 if he was going to play 90% WR. Still might happen.
Maybe there will be a team who sees him as a Taysom Hill/Deebo Samuel athlete Swiss-Army Knife. With appeal on both sides of the ball. I'm sure we'll hear more around the combine/draft.
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Re: Not at all early 2025 Draft thread

Postby mild » Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:00 pm

DJB wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:10 pm Pretty much done my RB scouting . Here are my top 5

1. Jeanty
2. Kaleb Johnson
3. T Henderson
4. Hampton
5. Judkins

I’m not seeing perhaps what everyone else is seeing in 4 and 5. I see two sluggish guys that lack either burst (Hampton) and or speed (Judkins)

They are closer to plodders than elite RB’s for me despite them being physically built to be 3 down RB’s.

Maybe im missing something I don’t know
Couple good updates for the board here. First thing:

Most of the main sites now have their Dynasty rankings up.

Fantasy Pros Superflex rookie rankings here.

KTC community rookie rankings here.

It's starting to take shape. Quite a bit of difference between the "experts" and the community thus far! Even just at the top of the draft ie. "how high should Cam Ward go in SF".

Secondly, I've just started my early scouting work, and I thought no better place to start than the RB class. It is a LOT of fun this year.

To the quoted, if there's one thing you're missing here... it's the depth. The Top 5 is just the start of it.

RB's 6 through 10-12ish are insanely good this year. Really interesting guys that will be available at a discount relative to what they would probably cost in a normal year, sheerly by positional scarcity (or lack thereof).

I will say one guy I watched in that range last night had me absolutely howling with laughter (at how absurdly fun he was - every play was a big play... I'm sure some of you will be able to guess who I'm talking about)

This RB class is going to absolutely rock the valuation/landscape of Dynasty RB's, I am sure of it. Unless you're holding an absolute stud in the Gibbs/Bijan/Saquon range... I would say that no 2025 workload is assuredly safe...


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