Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

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Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby mzkp54 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:01 pm

What would you need on top of Kyler to move 1.01?

For context its for my team in sig. I have an offer of Kyler, several good IDP, and some mid picks for 1.01.
12 tm/PPR/SF/TE+/Full IDP (start 11/11)/Contracts
QB- Kyler, TLaw Stafford
RB- Dowdle, Mitchell
WR- JJ, Lamb, ARSB, DJM, Kirk QJ
TE- Engram, Schultz
PK/CB-
DT- Wilkins, Vea
DE- Bosa, Young, Landry Ebukam
LB- Campbell,Speed, Mcfadden, Dodson
S-
1.02, 1.11
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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby TheTroll » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:08 pm

Can’t speak for IDP, but I would keep the 1.01
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby tstafford » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:36 pm

IMHO Kyler is (in reality) very close in value to CW. However I doubt the market would support me in that. My bet is people would want a solid piece on top of Kyler to move the 1.01.

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby kellysheroes » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:21 pm

whats the offer? and what is the options at RB.
I'm not a believer in Caleb so I would be making this move to be honest especially since you got 1.02
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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby abloom » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:38 pm

Actual value wise I see this as a pickem. I have zero interest in the idps or mid round picks. He's coming to you. If he wants Williams I want a late 24 first or a 25 first coming back with Kyler. If he doesn't I'll gladly take the extra years with Caleb and the decent wr options he'll have there.
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12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler, T tracey
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert, T johnson
D: nyj
K: Sanders

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Q: Murray, Watson, Maye, McCarthy, R Wilson, howell
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus, Moss, Zeke,
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts, t Johnson, bell
K: Tucker
D: CLE

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Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, heinekie, flacco, browning
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Charb, Z White, R white, McLaughlin, wilson
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, watson
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby mzkp54 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:29 pm

I'm thinking of countering

1.01 for Kyler, James Cook, C Wilkins (16 PPG), Jack Campbell (went 1.12 last year), 2.04

It's swapping Cook and 2.04 for Harold Landry and 3 3rds

What do you think?
12 tm/PPR/SF/TE+/Full IDP (start 11/11)/Contracts
QB- Kyler, TLaw Stafford
RB- Dowdle, Mitchell
WR- JJ, Lamb, ARSB, DJM, Kirk QJ
TE- Engram, Schultz
PK/CB-
DT- Wilkins, Vea
DE- Bosa, Young, Landry Ebukam
LB- Campbell,Speed, Mcfadden, Dodson
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1.02, 1.11
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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby frerichs5 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:36 pm

mzkp54 wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:29 pm I'm thinking of countering

1.01 for Kyler, James Cook, C Wilkins (16 PPG), Jack Campbell (went 1.12 last year), 2.04

It's swapping Cook and 2.04 for Harold Landry and 3 3rds

What do you think?
Assuming your contracts work out to field a lineup easily enough (I don’t know how all that works), this is the Kyler side for me by quite a bit.

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby mzkp54 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:01 pm

frerichs5 wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:36 pm
mzkp54 wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:29 pm I'm thinking of countering

1.01 for Kyler, James Cook, C Wilkins (16 PPG), Jack Campbell (went 1.12 last year), 2.04

It's swapping Cook and 2.04 for Harold Landry and 3 3rds

What do you think?
Assuming your contracts work out to field a lineup easily enough (I don’t know how all that works), this is the Kyler side for me by quite a bit.
Never mind thats a no go.

So the offer is 1.01 for Kyler, Wilkins, Landry, Campbell. 3.07, and 2 future 3rds
12 tm/PPR/SF/TE+/Full IDP (start 11/11)/Contracts
QB- Kyler, TLaw Stafford
RB- Dowdle, Mitchell
WR- JJ, Lamb, ARSB, DJM, Kirk QJ
TE- Engram, Schultz
PK/CB-
DT- Wilkins, Vea
DE- Bosa, Young, Landry Ebukam
LB- Campbell,Speed, Mcfadden, Dodson
S-
1.02, 1.11
3 '25 1sts, 4 '26 1sts

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby MacDaddy123 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:02 pm

Roughly an early to mid 2nd on top of Kyler for 1.01, theoretically.

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby Tomy31 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:15 pm

A lot of people think that CW will be a bust, so for me who has Kyler, i prefer Murray than the 1.01
I know what i have with Kyler, in fantasy he is good, so underrated

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby Anteaters » Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:07 am

I strongly prefer Kyler here. Put up a good clean fight negotiating, then accept a deal built around Kyler+IDPs plus whatever else you can get from him.

I know full IDP rosters increase the value of 3rds, but it would be great if you could change one or two of the 3rds to 2nds. If the other guy won't budge, it would not be a deal breaker for me. But it seems like a reasonable ask during negotiations, since he was the one to initiate contact.

At worst, Kyrler is going to produce at the same level CW does for the next few years. At best, we already know Kyler is capable of putting up year end T5QB production AND he's getting MHJr in a couple of weeks. Kyler is extremely productive and still young. And you get a good grab bag of other pieces.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
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QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby Menace2010 » Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:13 am

Depending on your IDP scoring, Wilkins, Landry, and we hope Campbell in year 2 are all three plug and play options. Top 10 DE/Edge, Top 5 DT, and fingers crossed Top 24 LB. Depending on settings those are valuable pieces. Agree with others, even in IDP leagues, 3rds only have marginal value. A 2nd instead of one or two of those 3rds would probably get me to bite.

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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby mzkp54 » Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:14 am

Menace2010 wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:13 am Depending on your IDP scoring, Wilkins, Landry, and we hope Campbell in year 2 are all three plug and play options. Top 10 DE/Edge, Top 5 DT, and fingers crossed Top 24 LB. Depending on settings those are valuable pieces. Agree with others, even in IDP leagues, 3rds only have marginal value. A 2nd instead of one or two of those 3rds would probably get me to bite.
Yeah they’re all valuable pieces with our scoring. Campbell went 1.12 last year for example. He’s adamant that there is no wiggle room and has rejected all my counters, so need to decide if I’m taking this or passing. For what it’s worth he’s kicking off a rebuild, so the future 3rds should be early.
12 tm/PPR/SF/TE+/Full IDP (start 11/11)/Contracts
QB- Kyler, TLaw Stafford
RB- Dowdle, Mitchell
WR- JJ, Lamb, ARSB, DJM, Kirk QJ
TE- Engram, Schultz
PK/CB-
DT- Wilkins, Vea
DE- Bosa, Young, Landry Ebukam
LB- Campbell,Speed, Mcfadden, Dodson
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Re: Gap between 1.01 and Kyler?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:35 am

im on the opposite side and id stay put unless they add something to kyler that actually makes you excited and feel strongly about the move. im not a kyler guy though and the red flags are plentiful (i will never forget that his team put language into a contract that he signed that said he needed to study for games, there is no bigger alarm in the qb world). fields and tebow were also good for fantasy football if you will recall. his single high season for td passes was 26 back in 2020. if he has any other issue with his legs you are gonna be sitting on a tough to move asset.
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1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

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