Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby CGW » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:37 pm

Kevin White was pretty awful for a top 10 NFL pick.

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby jordanzs » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:38 pm

CGW wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:37 pm Kevin White was pretty awful for a top 10 NFL pick.
So was Michael Floyd

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby TheTroll » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:39 pm

CGW wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:37 pm Kevin White was pretty awful for a top 10 NFL pick.
For sure. As a Bears fan, that one hit close to home. Treadwell was my in the bag 1.02 and set me back a year or two.
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RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

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2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby jordanzs » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:40 pm

Imagine if you had loaded up on 1st round rookie picks for the 2012 NFL draft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_draft

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby 81- » Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:58 pm

jordanzs wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:40 pm Imagine if you had loaded up on 1st round rookie picks for the 2012 NFL draft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_draft
We are due for another one of these
12 Team, 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1Flex, D, K, 10 Bench
1PPR, 0.5 point per carry.
Burrow, Richardson
AJ Brown, DJMoore, G Wilson, T Higgens, Sutton, Tillman, Melton
King Henry, Bijan, Pacheco, Mixon, Ford, JK
Hockenson, Musgrave
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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby TheTroll » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:10 pm

Super NO FLEX.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby gameaholica » Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:36 pm

81- wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:01 pm
jordanzs wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:13 pm For Dynasty purposes mixed with MFL draft capital, I gotta go with Trent Richardson
beat me too it. 100% at teh top of my list...

and indy gave up a 1st for him :lol:
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QB: Mahomes | Stafford | Mayfield
RB: Barkely | Henry | Etienne | Akers | Penny |
WR: Thomas | Bateman | Pittman | Metchie | Shaheed | W. Robinson
TE: Dulcich | Kincaid | Latu
Start: QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-TE-Flex-Flex-K-DEF

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WR: Chase | AJ Brown | Mims | JSN | Metchie | W Robinson
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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby 81- » Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:43 pm

CGW wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:37 pm Kevin White was pretty awful for a top 10 NFL pick.
All true. I don't think he is a top ten dynasty bust. I took him in the middle of round two with the hope of red shirting him. Would have been a steal had it worked out.
12 Team, 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1Flex, D, K, 10 Bench
1PPR, 0.5 point per carry.
Burrow, Richardson
AJ Brown, DJMoore, G Wilson, T Higgens, Sutton, Tillman, Melton
King Henry, Bijan, Pacheco, Mixon, Ford, JK
Hockenson, Musgrave
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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby ArrylT » Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:41 am

If we're talking a combination of NFL & Fantasy Dynasty criteria?

Clyde Edwards-Helaire

Why?

Went 1.01 in many a rookie draft over Jonathan Taylor
Went in 1st round of NFL draft

In 4 years has had less production than Trent Richardson in 3.

TR 3 Year Totals
48 Games
2944 Total Yards
17 Rushing TDs (19 total)
44.2 Yards per game

CEH 4 Year Totals
46 Games
2610 Total Yards
12 Rushing TDs (19 Total)
38.4 Yards per game

Trent Richardson still drew a 1st the year after he was drafted (both in NFL & fantasy). So you had a safe out.

For these reasons I nominate Clyde Bust-Helaire as a top 10 recent Bust of all time
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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby Shcritters » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:55 pm

ArrylT wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:41 am If we're talking a combination of NFL & Fantasy Dynasty criteria?

Clyde Edwards-Helaire

Why?

Went 1.01 in many a rookie draft over Jonathan Taylor
Went in 1st round of NFL draft

In 4 years has had less production than Trent Richardson in 3.

TR 3 Year Totals
48 Games
2944 Total Yards
17 Rushing TDs (19 total)
44.2 Yards per game

CEH 4 Year Totals
46 Games
2610 Total Yards
12 Rushing TDs (19 Total)
38.4 Yards per game

Trent Richardson still drew a 1st the year after he was drafted (both in NFL & fantasy). So you had a safe out.

For these reasons I nominate Clyde Bust-Helaire as a top 10 recent Bust of all time
I’m with you here, CEH is a significantly underrated bust in both fantasy and the NFL.

Imagine the Chiefs with JT instead of CEH.
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WR: Tyreek, AJ Brown, Flowers, CSutton, JJeudy, Slayton, Iosivas
TE: McBride, DSchultz, Musgrave, Kraft, MGesicki
2024: 1.02, 2.02
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RB: Pacheco, Estime, Vaughn
WR: Nabers, Coleman, Downs, EMoore, Jeudy, Burton, MMims, MWilson
TE: Hock, Kincaid, Pitts, Sinnott, Mayer
2025: 3 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths

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QB: Caleb, Richardson, Purdy, JJMcCarthy
RB: literal ZERO RB (for now)
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TE: LaPorta, Kincaid, McBride, Bowers, Mayer, Musgrave, Schoonmaker
2025: 3 1sts, 2 2nds

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby 81- » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:56 pm

ArrylT wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:41 am If we're talking a combination of NFL & Fantasy Dynasty criteria?

Clyde Edwards-Helaire

Why?

Went 1.01 in many a rookie draft over Jonathan Taylor
Went in 1st round of NFL draft

In 4 years has had less production than Trent Richardson in 3.

TR 3 Year Totals
48 Games
2944 Total Yards
17 Rushing TDs (19 total)
44.2 Yards per game

CEH 4 Year Totals
46 Games
2610 Total Yards
12 Rushing TDs (19 Total)
38.4 Yards per game

Trent Richardson still drew a 1st the year after he was drafted (both in NFL & fantasy). So you had a safe out.

For these reasons I nominate Clyde Bust-Helaire as a top 10 recent Bust of all time
i get the argument, but when you consider one was taken #3 overall and the other #32... i still go Trent.
12 Team, 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1Flex, D, K, 10 Bench
1PPR, 0.5 point per carry.
Burrow, Richardson
AJ Brown, DJMoore, G Wilson, T Higgens, Sutton, Tillman, Melton
King Henry, Bijan, Pacheco, Mixon, Ford, JK
Hockenson, Musgrave
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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby Cameron Giles » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:59 pm

I don't think Clyde fits. For dynasty? Easily. But in the NFL he was the last pick of the first round. Him being a bust had no noticeable impact on the Chiefs

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby Valhalla » Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:00 pm

81- wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:56 pm
ArrylT wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:41 am If we're talking a combination of NFL & Fantasy Dynasty criteria?

Clyde Edwards-Helaire

Why?

Went 1.01 in many a rookie draft over Jonathan Taylor
Went in 1st round of NFL draft

In 4 years has had less production than Trent Richardson in 3.

TR 3 Year Totals
48 Games
2944 Total Yards
17 Rushing TDs (19 total)
44.2 Yards per game

CEH 4 Year Totals
46 Games
2610 Total Yards
12 Rushing TDs (19 Total)
38.4 Yards per game

Trent Richardson still drew a 1st the year after he was drafted (both in NFL & fantasy). So you had a safe out.

For these reasons I nominate Clyde Bust-Helaire as a top 10 recent Bust of all time
i get the argument, but when you consider one was taken #3 overall and the other #32... i still go Trent.
Agreed. Expectations should be vastly different for a #3 overall pick (especially RB that high) and a #32.

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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby 81- » Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:25 pm

Anteaters wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:13 am

Some of these players are probably too far back for many of the members of the forum, but I remember getting bitten by the Lawrence Phillips hype in a redraft league way back when.
he was a couple of years before i started playing... i do recall watching his career... i forgot about him running over people.. what a sad life. and defiantly a top 10 fantasy flop.

i do think overall you have to discount the qb flops.. teams reach all the time for them. i kind of view it as wr/rb/te flops with qb's needing to be in a separate bucket
12 Team, 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1Flex, D, K, 10 Bench
1PPR, 0.5 point per carry.
Burrow, Richardson
AJ Brown, DJMoore, G Wilson, T Higgens, Sutton, Tillman, Melton
King Henry, Bijan, Pacheco, Mixon, Ford, JK
Hockenson, Musgrave
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Re: Biggest NFL (and thus, dynasty) Draft Busts

Postby Anteaters » Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:27 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:59 pm I don't think Clyde fits. For dynasty? Easily. But in the NFL he was the last pick of the first round. Him being a bust had no noticeable impact on the Chiefs
I disagree. KC won two Super Bowls with CEH. I doubt they could have won them without him.
Not completely joking.
In 2022, CEH started the first 6 games and scored 5TD in that span (7TDs on the season). KC had home field advantage over Cincy by one game. If CEH hadn't played so well to start the season, particularly against TB, KC could have lost a game and home field advantage in the AFC championship game.

CEH hasn't been Tony Dorsett, but he hasn't been Trent Richardson either.
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RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
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RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
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