Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby yinzername » Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:51 am

trc wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:28 am
yinzername wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:46 am]

I do infact believe he will be bye week filler with flex upside at best. Is it a negative view of JSN? Sure. "Too negative a bais"...I don't know, when veiwed thru historical statistical rookie performance lens, he looks like there are zero 1k yard seasons ahead. he looks like a perenial 500 yard 4 td kinda guy. he looks like he will be WR3 forever, after DK and Lockett, it will be DK and stud rookie WR 2026, after that it will be WR3/4 on random AFC East team...in my opinion.

But I appreciate this because it is getting me closer to an answer for my question. Even those who agree that JSN is not the stud first round pick we hoped he'd be (yes, we, I was in on his profile predraft, only didn't get a share because I had no picks in his range) the perceived value from the non-JSN zealots is still mid-2nd. hey maybe I can get him as a piece in a deal and flip him again, never know, but I'm not buying him to plug and play, that's all
So you think his rookie season was his best career year? Or how is the bolded to be understood?
pretty much. I think we've seen what he is. 500/4 is about the middle of the range I give him
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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:59 am

Where should we draft JSN in our rookie drafts this year?

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby Bronco Billy » Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:21 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:59 am Where should we draft JSN in our rookie drafts this year?
Would you rather have a few JSN posts here or a whole new JSN thread where all the JSN owners post to justify burning last year’s 1.03 on him?

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:24 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:21 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:59 am Where should we draft JSN in our rookie drafts this year?
Would you rather have a few JSN posts here or a whole new JSN thread where all the JSN owners post to justify burning last year’s 1.03 on him?
LOL. I think posts crossing over is just fine. Y'all are too rigid and bleep about some of this stuff. But then again, this IS the 2024 draft so...I don't expect the JSN conversation to take over. It'll fade soon enough. Though I may not be the right guy to chime in on this LOL.
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QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

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QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby Anteaters » Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:45 pm

JSN is relevant to this thread because there have been several questions across threads asking about JSN's value in 2024 draft picks.

Also, there was a question a couple of pages ago in this very thread that asked, and I paraphrase, "If JSN's value fell from the '23 draft to today because of a subpar rookie season, would a '24 rookie receiver who had a disappointing rookie season also drop?"
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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:28 pm

Anteaters wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:45 pm JSN is relevant to this thread because there have been several questions across threads asking about JSN's value in 2024 draft picks.

Also, there was a question a couple of pages ago in this very thread that asked, and I paraphrase, "If JSN's value fell from the '23 draft to today because of a subpar rookie season, would a '24 rookie receiver who had a disappointing rookie season also drop?"
Yep. Thanks for that.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:54 pm

Do you guys think all six QBs will be draftable in fantasy, starters in the NFL? Teams are DESPERATE. I mean, it could definitely be something like:

Williams—Chicago
Daniels—Washington
Maye—NEP
JJM—Vikings (trade up)
Nix—NYG, LVR, or Jets
Penix—NYG, LVR, or Jets

IDK about Rattler, Milton, Pratt.

Thoughts?
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby 81- » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:15 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:54 pm Do you guys think all six QBs will be draftable in fantasy, starters in the NFL? Teams are DESPERATE. I mean, it could definitely be something like:

Williams—Chicago
Daniels—Washington
Maye—NEP
JJM—Vikings (trade up)
Nix—NYG, LVR, or Jets
Penix—NYG, LVR, or Jets

IDK about Rattler, Milton, Pratt.

Thoughts?
They are all draftable. Some higher. Some lower. Some great, some Terrible.
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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby BabyChark23 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:17 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:54 pm Do you guys think all six QBs will be draftable in fantasy, starters in the NFL? Teams are DESPERATE. I mean, it could definitely be something like:

Williams—Chicago
Daniels—Washington
Maye—NEP
JJM—Vikings (trade up)
Nix—NYG, LVR, or Jets
Penix—NYG, LVR, or Jets

IDK about Rattler, Milton, Pratt.

Thoughts?
I think Williams, Daniels, Maye, and JJM will all be starters for atleast a full season (bold take, I know). The rest all look like career backups to me. Maybe we end up with an AOC/Sam Howell type situation with one of the others, but none of them look like franchise guys to me. I’d forced to take a late round stab at one of them, I’d pick Penix.

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby TheTroll » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:19 pm

81- wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:15 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:54 pm Do you guys think all six QBs will be draftable in fantasy, starters in the NFL? Teams are DESPERATE. I mean, it could definitely be something like:

Williams—Chicago
Daniels—Washington
Maye—NEP
JJM—Vikings (trade up)
Nix—NYG, LVR, or Jets
Penix—NYG, LVR, or Jets

IDK about Rattler, Milton, Pratt.

Thoughts?
They are all draftable. Some higher. Some lower. Some great, some Terrible.
50% of first rd picks for QBs flame out. After than it’s more likely to become backups and such. Definitely worth it to take some of these lottery tickets with the hope that the next Stroud is in your stable.
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RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:58 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:54 pm Do you guys think all six QBs will be draftable in fantasy, starters in the NFL? Teams are DESPERATE. I mean, it could definitely be something like:

Williams—Chicago
Daniels—Washington
Maye—NEP
JJM—Vikings (trade up)
Nix—NYG, LVR, or Jets
Penix—NYG, LVR, or Jets

IDK about Rattler, Milton, Pratt.

Thoughts?
If they don't go first round, then most likely not.

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:30 pm

I have the 1.02 in a SF TEP league. I asked the guy with the 1.01 what the price was to swap picks. IDK, was thinking maybe I wanted Williams instead Harrison. He made an offer of the 1.01 for the 1.02 + 1.06 OOF. That seems like WAY to much to me. Thoughts?
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:39 pm

Anteaters wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:45 pm JSN is relevant to this thread because there have been several questions across threads asking about JSN's value in 2024 draft picks.

Also, there was a question a couple of pages ago in this very thread that asked, and I paraphrase, "If JSN's value fell from the '23 draft to today because of a subpar rookie season, would a '24 rookie receiver who had a disappointing rookie season also drop?"


Guilty. Maybe I shouldn't have done that... It was more in regard to the future value of MHJ/Nabers/Odunze though.
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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:05 pm

Really good video on the qbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qICs_ZGLfrA

Bootleg Football w/ JT O'Sullivan.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pm

Asked another way would you rather have:

Caleb or Harrison and Bowers/Odunze in a SF TEP?
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble


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