Trade 1.01?

[MacDaddy123]

Now I’m curious… what is your solid QB room?

Herbert, TLaw, Watson, + others like Z. Wilson, Pickett, Dobbs, etc.
Can only start 2. Ranked #1 by DD. Not awesome, but MUCH better than my WR room.

My WR room, can start up to 6: London, Burks, Jameson, Skyy Moore, Rashid Shaheed, Rondale Moore, Laviska Shenault, David Bell, Jalen Tolbert, Dynami Brown.

I actually think I will wind up grabbing a top 3 QB, just because players in this league do not value the QB position.
I have a strong feeling that either Nabers goes at 1.03, which will force me to take QB2 at 1.04, and/or, Odunze will go at 1.05, forcing me to take QB3 at 1.06.

I mean I feel like I would need to take QB's at 1.04 and 1.06 just for value.
They would have no trade value in this league, but whatever.
Eventually I will have to start simply ignoring QB's at the top of the draft board.

[knotts4372]

i stick with the 1.1 here and draft marvin harrison jr. you trade the pick to a team you THINK will go for a qb but mhj is the prize of this draft regardless if its a superflex league or not. its not worth the risk of losing him

[MacDaddy123]

I’d want 1.02 + 1.07 for 1.01. If he’s desperate for Caleb he will probably do that and it’s a fair ask in SF. Maybe add a 3rd to your end if it helps.

That offer has 0% chance of being accepted. This guy has no 2nd round pick in 2024 or 2025, and we start 11.
That might work in a shallower league, but not in this league.

I mean after he turns that down, what's my next move?
Just take MHJ at 1.01 and let Caleb fall to him at 1.02?
He really wants Caleb, but he is not sure that he has to trade up for him.
He knows I'm not taking Caleb. Now he doesn't want 1.03 to jump him, but that is his main concern.

Fully agree, that is MHJ AND Oduzone/Bowers/JJM (if good DC) for Caleb.
Sending two late-ish 2nd picks seems fair.


But I also agree with the others that you shouldn't just throw in the picks because you have so many.
There must be enough opportunities to upgrade current players or consolidate to a better draft position etc.

I am not throwing in draft capital just to throw in draft capital.
However, I am not trying to insult the other manager with a lowball offer either.

The guy at 1.02 I am in several leagues with, and we have a good trading history.
We don't always agree, but we usually don't insult each other either.

IMO, 1.07 for 2.06 and 2.12 is a coup, and a bigger gain than what I lose dropping from 1.01 to 1.02 to pick the same player who I would have picked at 1.01 anyway.
I am not trying to rape or offend the other manager.
Perhaps you are much higher on Caleb than I am, idk.

I feel like 2.06 + 2.12 is less than the original offer I was thinking of 1.01 + 1.12 for 1.02 + 1.07.
It allows me to now have six 1st round picks, and still hold my top 2nd round pick at 2.05.

[MacDaddy123]

i stick with the 1.1 here and draft marvin harrison jr. you trade the pick to a team you THINK will go for a qb but mhj is the prize of this draft regardless if its a superflex league or not. its not worth the risk of losing him

I KNOW the dude at 1.02 is drooling over Caleb.
We are friends.
He needs WR's too, but he is like me, where we stock our QB room before moving to WR.
RB's are the final piece.

His QB room is Tua and Russ Wilson

[MacDaddy123]

Considering this trade for Puka.
12 team SF TEP PPR Start 11:

Give: 1.01
Get: Puka Nacua, 1.07 (probably Brock Bowers here).

Situation, my QB room is fairly solid, ranked #1 in league according to Dynasty Daddy.
I plan to take MHJ, and have been looking to trade back to 1.02, who wants Caleb.
I currently own 1.01, 1.04, 1.06, 1.08, and 1.12, and my WR room is weak (ranked 11th).
Can start up to 6 WR's, and right now London is my only startable option.

I currently have an offer of 1.01, 2.06, and a 25 2nd out for 1.02 and 1.07.
This is another offer I am considering making.
It would give me London/Puka, and hopefully still get Nabers, Odunze, Bowers, Brian Thomas Jr., and Troy Franklin

Thoughts?

[Menace2010]

I prefer MHJr to Puka and Bowers. But think it's close.

[ESKAY]

I agree that the 2nds have some value.
However, another concern of mine is roster space, as I have 13 draft picks and only 6 empty roster spaces at this moment.
That is one of the reasons I am trying to cut back on amount of picks too, fewer cuts to make.
I also have four 3rd round picks.

I definitely get what you’re saying but don’t ever fall into the trap of sending away picks for free just because you have an abundance. You have plenty of time to turn those extra picks into value for your team. I agree with most responses that you shouldn’t be adding much to your side. I’d want 1.02 + 1.07 for 1.01. If he’s desperate for Caleb he will probably do that and it’s a fair ask in SF. Maybe add a 3rd to your end if it helps. Hold those extra picks instead of just shipping them off and package a couple 2024 2nds for a 2025 1st or a couple 2024 3rds for a 2025 2nd. Trade this year’s picks for future picks so you don’t lose value but also don’t have to deal with cutting a bunch.

Also, it’s okay to let the 1.02 owner know that even if 1.03 doesn’t trade up you draft for value not positional need. Even if you don’t need a QB you’re taking the most valuable player which is probably Caleb. That might not be true for you (even though it should be) but it’s plenty fair to posture that way.

That offer has 0% chance of being accepted. This guy has no 2nd round pick in 2024 or 2025, and we start 11.
That might work in a shallower league, but not in this league.

I mean after he turns that down, what's my next move?
Just take MHJ at 1.01 and let Caleb fall to him at 1.02?
He really wants Caleb, but he is not sure that he has to trade up for him.
He knows I'm not taking Caleb. Now he doesn't want 1.03 to jump him, but that is his main concern.

I totally agree with the guy who said pick 2 and 7 for pick 1.1. I will never understand the guy with 1.1 needing to add to the deal. You are holding all the cards. The value of that pick is only going up. At pick 2 you can’t lose because if he takes MHJ at 1, you could get a ton for Caleb if you don’t need him. Good Luck

[MacDaddy123]

So the 1.02 owner who wants Caleb, countered my offer of 1.01 + 2.06 + 25 2nd for his 1.02 + 1.07 with this offer:
my 1.01 + mid 25 2nd for his 1.02 + mid/late 25 1st.

Final: I did accept this offer, as I have five 1sts in 2024, and this would give me four 1sts now in 2025.
Also, I still get the player I would have taken at 1.01 anyway, in MHJ.

[Jrblaha]

So the 1.02 owner who wants Caleb, countered my offer of 1.01 + 2.06 + 25 2nd for his 1.02 + 1.07 with this offer:
my 1.01 + mid 25 2nd for his 1.02 + mid/late 25 1st.

Final: I did accept this offer, as I have five 1sts in 2024, and this would give me four 1sts now in 2025.
Also, I still get the player I would have taken at 1.01 anyway, in MHJ.

Assuming you still get your guy, nice deal to gain value next year.

[MacDaddy123]

So the 1.02 owner who wants Caleb, countered my offer of 1.01 + 2.06 + 25 2nd for his 1.02 + 1.07 with this offer:
my 1.01 + mid 25 2nd for his 1.02 + mid/late 25 1st.

Final: I did accept this offer, as I have five 1sts in 2024, and this would give me four 1sts now in 2025.
Also, I still get the player I would have taken at 1.01 anyway, in MHJ.

Assuming you still get your guy, nice deal to gain value next year.

I'd be shocked if I didn't get my guy (MHJ).
I told dude at 1.02 that guy at 1.03 has also been talking to me about moving up to 1.01.
This is true, but I am not sure who the 1.03 guy was going to pick.
1.02 has been publicly aggressive about wanting Caleb, as his QB room is pretty weak (ranked #11 according to Dynasty Daddy).

So the guy at 1.02 was getting nervous about getting jumped by 1.03 for Caleb, which is why he wanted to move up now.
My QB room is ranked #1 in the league, so I wanted MHJ, and should still get him at 1.02.

[TheTroll]

So the 1.02 owner who wants Caleb, countered my offer of 1.01 + 2.06 + 25 2nd for his 1.02 + 1.07 with this offer:
my 1.01 + mid 25 2nd for his 1.02 + mid/late 25 1st.

Final: I did accept this offer, as I have five 1sts in 2024, and this would give me four 1sts now in 2025.
Also, I still get the player I would have taken at 1.01 anyway, in MHJ.

Assuming you still get your guy, nice deal to gain value next year.

I'd be shocked if I didn't get my guy (MHJ).
I told dude at 1.02 that guy at 1.03 has also been talking to me about moving up to 1.01.
This is true, but I am not sure who the 1.03 guy was going to pick.
1.02 has been publicly aggressive about wanting Caleb, as his QB room is pretty weak (ranked #11 according to Dynasty Daddy).

So the guy at 1.02 was getting nervous about getting jumped by 1.03 for Caleb, which is why he wanted to move up now.
My QB room is ranked #1 in the league, so I wanted MHJ, and should still get him at 1.02.

Like the TV series Survivor. Nice job playing the game

[Edgy68]

Now I would try the same thing with the 1.03. If you can get an idea of which QB he wants, you could possibly bluff with someone trying to jump to 1.02. You don’t need to get too cute here and lose MHJ, but it could turn out to be worth the effort.

[MacDaddy123]

Now I would try the same thing with the 1.03. If you can get an idea of which QB he wants, you could possibly bluff with someone trying to jump to 1.02. You don’t need to get too cute here and lose MHJ, but it could turn out to be worth the effort.

I am not too sure here what 1.03 will do.
I did use him in trade talks with 1.02, but unlike 1.02, I am not sure that 1.03 loves Caleb.
1.03 could go either way, QB or Nabers, which is a concern for me, because I am really hoping to get Nabers at 1.04.

QB's are not king in this SF league.
In fact, if Nabers goes at 1.03, I will probably take Odunze at 1.04.
That would make 3 of the first 4 picks WR's, not QB's.

My reasoning behind that, is that I currently have the #1 QB room in this league.
IF Nabers goes at 1.03, and I pick Maye at 1.04, good chance that Odunze goes at 1.05, and I am stuck taking Daniels at 1.06.

I don't mind adding 1 of the top 3 QB's here, but I certainly don't want to add 2 of the top 3 QB's, with so many other needs.
Can't trade the QB's, because managers in this league do not value the QB position.

[Viking386]

The first and second one are okay, let that 1st pick gain even more value as we get closer. Make them overpay