Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[Cameron Giles]

confident at this time in BTJ and Franklin

next chunk of names I'm watching; McConckey, Worthy, Mitchell, Polk, Walker and Corley

not convinced yet; Coleman and Legette

interested to know more; Burton, Wilson, Rice, McMillen, McCaffrey

Heard a quote regarding Johnny Wilson... Something to the affect of, "A team will draft him and any OC out there will look at him and go, 'I am SURE we can figure out a way to use this guy!'...".

Guess you don't see too many 6' 7" 238 lbs WRs out there...

Now, as an FSU fan, he is one of those anomalies where it seems the worst place you can throw the ball when targeting him is right in his hands... He has the dropsies from time to time. Hopefully that will go away.

I've seen some speculation that he should convert to TE and aim for a Waller type of timeline, but like you said, his hands aren't there.

[Menace2010]

confident at this time in BTJ and Franklin

next chunk of names I'm watching; McConckey, Worthy, Mitchell, Polk, Walker and Corley

not convinced yet; Coleman and Legette

interested to know more; Burton, Wilson, Rice, McMillen, McCaffrey

Heard a quote regarding Johnny Wilson... Something to the affect of, "A team will draft him and any OC out there will look at him and go, 'I am SURE we can figure out a way to use this guy!'...".

Guess you don't see too many 6' 7" 238 lbs WRs out there...

Now, as an FSU fan, he is one of those anomalies where it seems the worst place you can throw the ball when targeting him is right in his hands... He has the dropsies from time to time. Hopefully that will go away.

I've seen some speculation that he should convert to TE and aim for a Waller type of timeline, but like you said, his hands aren't there.

As an FSU fan, I agree with all of this. You can't teach hands. Wilson has all the physical attributes in the world, but every time they threw in his direction I held my breath. I much prefer Coleman, he is an exciting player and looked the part on the field as a potential alpha routinely pulling in tough contested catches. Wish he had a better analytic profile...

[Orenthal Shames]

Guys getting pumped up at the senior bowl:

Ladd McConkey*
Javon Baker
Malachi Corley*
Xavier Legette
Roman Wilson*
Jha'Quan Jackson

*Brugler's top 3

[Cameron Giles]

Guys getting pumped up at the senior bowl:

Ladd McKonkey*
Javon Baker
Malachi Corley*
Xavier Legette
Roman Wilson*
Jha'Quan Jackson

*Brugler's top 3

Outside of the Top 3, I think you can make a legitimate argument that McConkey has the best game tape of the remaining WRs.

[mild]

Guys getting pumped up at the senior bowl:

Ladd McKonkey*
Javon Baker
Malachi Corley*
Xavier Legette
Roman Wilson*
Jha'Quan Jackson

*Brugler's top 3

Outside of the Top 3, I think you can make a legitimate argument that McConkey has the best game tape of the remaining WRs.

He claims he has modeled his game on Cooper Kupp.

You can somewhat see it. He's a route technician with excellent body and head fakes.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Guys getting pumped up at the senior bowl:

Ladd McKonkey*
Javon Baker
Malachi Corley*
Xavier Legette
Roman Wilson*
Jha'Quan Jackson

*Brugler's top 3

Outside of the Top 3, I think you can make a legitimate argument that McConkey has the best game tape of the remaining WRs.

He claims he has modeled his game on Cooper Kupp.

You can somewhat see it. He's a route technician with excellent body and head fakes.

So Jerry Jeudy?

[tstafford]

For the most part I agree the players but might shuffle the order a bit. One stands out to me - I think for a while you're been pretty high on Tez Walker. What are you seeing there? Is that an upside play (boom/bust)? Seems like a player that an NFL team could lock in on and take early or maybe he falls to the mid to late 2nd. I can't quite tell.

Walker is raw in some aspects. Right now, he's mostly a zone beater and third-level threat. He's a long strider, who's dangerous on 9's and post routes. He's a touchdown magnet. He definitely has some work to do to become a more complete WR, but I like where he's starting from. When he stepped onto the field, he immediately popped in their gameplan.

It'll be interesting to see how him, Coleman and Thomas are graded. There's some similarities between those 3. Right now, it seems Thomas has more love. From what I've seen, the space between each of them is very close.

Great stuff. More and more I am feeling there's a top-3 at WR and then a pack of guys who are hard to separate. I wonder how many QJ's we might have.

[wickerkat1212]

For the most part I agree the players but might shuffle the order a bit. One stands out to me - I think for a while you're been pretty high on Tez Walker. What are you seeing there? Is that an upside play (boom/bust)? Seems like a player that an NFL team could lock in on and take early or maybe he falls to the mid to late 2nd. I can't quite tell.

Walker is raw in some aspects. Right now, he's mostly a zone beater and third-level threat. He's a long strider, who's dangerous on 9's and post routes. He's a touchdown magnet. He definitely has some work to do to become a more complete WR, but I like where he's starting from. When he stepped onto the field, he immediately popped in their gameplan.

It'll be interesting to see how him, Coleman and Thomas are graded. There's some similarities between those 3. Right now, it seems Thomas has more love. From what I've seen, the space between each of them is very close.

Great stuff. More and more I am feeling there's a top-3 at WR and then a pack of guys who are hard to separate. I wonder how many QJ's we might have.

I'm seeing more and more red flags on Legette. Look where he is on this chart. Bottom left. OOF. With Mingo, Reager and...Coleman. I hear alarm bells going off.

https://twitter.com/fball_insights/stat ... 7487522287

This chart is really interesting ^^^



A lot of people are in on Thomas but I heard the word "raw" in quite a few places. And I see people split on Coleman.

I like Adanoi, McConkey is getting a lot of love

[wickerkat1212]

Walker is raw in some aspects. Right now, he's mostly a zone beater and third-level threat. He's a long strider, who's dangerous on 9's and post routes. He's a touchdown magnet. He definitely has some work to do to become a more complete WR, but I like where he's starting from. When he stepped onto the field, he immediately popped in their gameplan.

It'll be interesting to see how him, Coleman and Thomas are graded. There's some similarities between those 3. Right now, it seems Thomas has more love. From what I've seen, the space between each of them is very close.

Great stuff. More and more I am feeling there's a top-3 at WR and then a pack of guys who are hard to separate. I wonder how many QJ's we might have.

I'm seeing more and more red flags on Legette. Look where he is on this chart. Bottom left. OOF. With Mingo, Reager and...Coleman. I hear alarm bells going off.

https://twitter.com/fball_insights/stat ... 7487522287

This chart is really interesting ^^^



A lot of people are in on Thomas but I heard the word "raw" in quite a few places. And I see people split on Coleman.

I like Adanoi, McConkey is getting a lot of love.

LOOK AT WHERE Nacua is on this chart. Out there FAR with elite company—Chase, Waddle, Smith, Lamb, Metcalf. Just something to keep in mind.

[yinzername]

Guys getting pumped up at the senior bowl:

Ladd McKonkey*
Javon Baker
Malachi Corley*
Xavier Legette
Roman Wilson*
Jha'Quan Jackson

*Brugler's top 3

Outside of the Top 3, I think you can make a legitimate argument that McConkey has the best game tape of the remaining WRs.

He claims he has modeled his game on Cooper Kupp.

You can somewhat see it. He's a route technician with excellent body and head fakes.

yeah minus 2 inches and 30 pounds. I've been buying the hype all week then i heard Harmon say "Renfrow 2.0" yesterday. I'm not saying I'm out but I'm pumping the breaks. I was mocking him in the early 2nd, bumping him back down to the 3rd

[Cameron Giles]

Outside of the Top 3, I think you can make a legitimate argument that McConkey has the best game tape of the remaining WRs.

He claims he has modeled his game on Cooper Kupp.

You can somewhat see it. He's a route technician with excellent body and head fakes.

yeah minus 2 inches and 30 pounds. I've been buying the hype all week then i heard Harmon say "Renfrow 2.0" yesterday. I'm not saying I'm out but I'm pumping the breaks. I was mocking him in the early 2nd, bumping him back down to the 3rd

It's right to have skepticism on McConkey. He's never been a high volume guy and I'm not sure that changes in the NFL. But, his tape is really good and some of the success rate statistics coming out on him are exactly what you want to see.

You could rattle off a bunch of Renfrow dopplegangers: Amendola, Humphries, Berrios, but there's a scenario where McConkey's draft pedigree surprises people.

[Cameron Giles]

LOOK AT WHERE Nacua is on this chart. Out there FAR with elite company—Chase, Waddle, Smith, Lamb, Metcalf. Just something to keep in mind.

I remember at the time that those who were in on Nacua early were because of his YPRR and his success rates vs. zone.

At the same time, I think the worst mistake anyone can make right now is chasing an idea of "the next Nacua". So it's amusing seeing Twitter scouts pointing to college stats that favored Nacua a year ago and using it to hype up someone else as next in line.

The guy is an anomaly. There is no consistent process to finding the next anomaly. It just happens.

[Finfansteve]

LOOK AT WHERE Nacua is on this chart. Out there FAR with elite company—Chase, Waddle, Smith, Lamb, Metcalf. Just something to keep in mind.

I remember at the time that those who were in on Nacua early were because of his YPRR and his success rates vs. zone.

At the same time, I think the worst mistake anyone can make right now is chasing an idea of "the next Nacua". So it's amusing seeing Twitter scouts pointing to college stats that favored Nacua a year ago and using it to hype up someone else as next in line.

The guy is an anomaly. There is no consistent process to finding the next anomaly. It just happens.

160 targets in a 17 game season doesn’t hurt his numbers at all either

[Bronco Billy]

https://twitter.com/fball_insights/stat ... 7487522287

This chart is really interesting ^^^

Be careful with that. It’s my understanding that NFL teams place a much higher emphasis on how successful or not players are against man coverage. That makes sense to me because a lot of success against zones is identifying the coverage and then sitting down in a hole instead of running through.

Man coverage involves beating physical contact and using route running skills that create separation. Those are skills that are extremely important in evaluation on moving to the next level where DBs are so much stronger, have superior anticipation and have such great recovery speed.

[DJB]

https://twitter.com/fball_insights/stat ... 7487522287

This chart is really interesting ^^^

Be careful with that. It’s my understanding that NFL teams place a much higher emphasis on how successful or not players are against man coverage. That makes sense to me because a lot of success against zones is identifying the coverage and then sitting down in a hole instead of running through.

Man coverage involves beating physical contact and using route running skills that create separation. Those are skills that are extremely important in evaluation on moving to the next level where DBs are so much stronger, have superior anticipation and have such great recovery speed.

Do we have a man coverage graph? That would be awesome