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[Bronco Billy]

And just like that Engram is now 2nd all time in receptions for a TE in a single season.

TE kingmaker Trevor Lawrence doing what he does best.

Why do you think TE targets are signs of a bad QB?

Or do you just mean targeting a bad TE?

I believe it signals either a limitation in your ability to get the ball to your perimeter weapons (whether that be arm strength/accuracy/ability to use anticipation to throw guys open) or a conservative nature; both of which I don't see as good signs for an elite QB.

Engram is a decent talent but he's not Travis Kelce and there were many games throughout the year where the perimeter weapons in this offense were completely ignored. You can point to Ridley having fallen off a bit since his days as a Falcon but with elite QBs they find a way to get the ball to the outside weapons regardless of who's out there. We just saw Jordan Love do it with Bo Melton fresh off the practice squad in consecutive weeks after he lost his top 2 WRs and the third weapon, Wicks 2 weeks ago and Reed last week at the half. That's not unusual for good QBs and there are plenty of other examples but that's the first that comes to mind. In the NFL the lesser known names are hardly ever as bad as people make them out to be -- these guys are all good football players or they wouldn't be here.

I lowered my expectations for Lawrence after he heavily targeted Dan freaking Arnold his rookie year

Odd that you write this up with your position and then toss in a Kelce reference. Brady must have been limited/conservative too.

[Sriracha]

Odd that you write this up with your position and then toss in a Kelce reference. Brady must have been limited/conservative too.

Go back and look throughout Tom's career.

When he didn't have an elite TE weapon to throw to he didn't throw to them at an oridinate rate.

Also, why do you feel me referencing Kelce here is odd? A receiving weapon is a receiving weapon regardless of their positional designation.

[Bronco Billy]

Odd that you write this up with your position and then toss in a Kelce reference. Brady must have been limited/conservative too.

Go back and look throughout Tom's career.

When he didn't have an elite TE weapon to throw to he didn't throw to them at an oridinate rate.

Also, why do you feel me referencing Kelce here is odd? A receiving weapon is a receiving weapon regardless of their positional designation.

Because I’d hardly call Mahomes limited/conservative. And the fact is Brady did target his TEs when they provided the best option for him. Good QBs target mismatches regardless of where they are on the field.

[Sriracha]

Because I’d hardly call Mahomes limited/conservative. And the fact is Brady did target his TEs when they provided the best option for him. Good QBs target mismatches regardless of where they are on the field.

You're getting my message twisted.

You should absolutely target your best players and in the very rare instance that's a TE -- like it is with Kelce, Gronk, Jimmy Graham pre injury -- you target them.

When the TE is Dan Arnold and James O'Shaughnessy -- two guys who can barely stick on a roster -- and you still pepper them with targets it's concerning.

[KingsKing]

Because I’d hardly call Mahomes limited/conservative. And the fact is Brady did target his TEs when they provided the best option for him. Good QBs target mismatches regardless of where they are on the field.

When the TE is Dan Arnold and James O'Shaughnessy -- two guys who can barely stick on a roster -- and you still pepper them with targets it's concerning.

Who should he have been targeting? Shenault? Treadwell? Or 31 year old Marvin jones , he had garbage for weapons.

Last year Kirk had a career high 1100 yards , he made Xay jones fantasy relevant and resurrected Engrams career.

This year kirk was on pace for 1300 yards before getting hurt , Ridley looked rusty and a step slower and went for a 1000 and engram had a career year , all while battling a bunch of injuries and gutting it out .

You can stick with your scouting that you think Lawrence is overrated but let’s not act like the guy has had it easy , between urban Meyer, injuries and lack of serious weapons around him I don’t think he has even come close to his potential . I’d like to see them spend money and add a tee Higgins or someone like that this off-season.

[StripesOfKC]

What about Dak?

He has heavily targeted kind of mediocre tight ends. Is that a knock on his quarterbacking ability?

[Sriracha]

Who should he have been targeting? Shenault? Treadwell? Or 31 year old Marvin jones , he had garbage for weapons.

If you have to choose between a bad WR or a bad TE you choose the bad WR 10/10 times because they're almost universally the better receiver.

The fact that he decided to feed the bad TE instead was concerning. The fact that this tendency has continued throughout the rest of his career, punctuated by elevating Engram into a season where he caught the 2nd most receptions by a TE in a single season just makes me more skeptical he'll ever become the elite QB he was touted to be coming out of Clemson.

Unless you want to make the argument that Engram is an elite receiving weapon and is deserving of those targets

You can stick with your scouting that you think Lawrence is overrated but let’s not act like the guy has had it easy , between urban Meyer, injuries and lack of serious weapons around him I don’t think he has even come close to his potential . I’d like to see them spend money and add a tee Higgins or someone like that this off-season.

I was much higher on Lawrence as a prospect than I am now.

He has the most turnovers of any QB since 2021; The excuses just keep mounting. In year 3... odds are this is just who he is. A very good QB that will probably never be elite even if his surrounding talent might let him have a couple good-great seasons -- Like Derek Carr.

[Sriracha]

What about Dak?

He has heavily targeted kind of mediocre tight ends. Is that a knock on his quarterbacking ability?

Yeah, it is and is why he has a penchant for a couple stinker games a year despite the fact he generally plays at a high level.

[KingsKing]

If you have to choose between a bad WR or a bad TE you choose the bad WR 10/10 times because they're almost universally the better receiver.


Unless you want to make the argument that Engram is an elite receiving weapon and is deserving of those targets

You target the player who is open, if the wrs aren’t open you throw to the TE that is .

I would argue that a 6’6 240 pound TE that runs a 4.4 is the best weapon he had at his disposal this year after kirk went down .

[StripesOfKC]

Who should he have been targeting? Shenault? Treadwell? Or 31 year old Marvin jones , he had garbage for weapons.

If you have to choose between a bad WR or a bad TE you choose the bad WR 10/10 times because they're almost universally the better receiver.

The fact that he decided to feed the bad TE instead was concerning. The fact that this tendency has continued throughout the rest of his career, punctuated by elevating Engram into a season where he caught the 2nd most receptions by a TE in a single season just makes me more skeptical he'll ever become the elite QB he was touted to be coming out of Clemson.

Unless you want to make the argument that Engram is an elite receiving weapon and is deserving of those targets

You can stick with your scouting that you think Lawrence is overrated but let’s not act like the guy has had it easy , between urban Meyer, injuries and lack of serious weapons around him I don’t think he has even come close to his potential . I’d like to see them spend money and add a tee Higgins or someone like that this off-season.

I was much higher on Lawrence as a prospect than I am now.

He has the most turnovers of any QB since 2021; The excuses just keep mounting. In year 3... odds are this is just who he is. A very good QB that will probably never be elite even if his surrounding talent might let him have a couple good-great seasons -- Like Derek Carr.

He was very good in year 2 though. A low QB1 and even better than that for just the second half.

If you think that's who the real Lawrence is or even closer to that than to Derek bleep Carr he's a smash buy

[Sriracha]

He was very good in year 2 though. A low QB1 and even better than that for just the second half.

If you think that's who the real Lawrence is or even closer to that than to Derek bleep Carr he's a smash buy

I'd agree if he wasn't still valued as a top 10 QB.

I'd much rather have Jordan Love and Kyler Murray who are valued below him via KTC. Probably Tua Tagovailoa and Brock Purdy, too

[Cameron Giles]

Justin Herbert - Won't be a better time to buy.

Kendre Miller - If the injuries are behind him, look out. So much depends on Kamara's future, but he's one of my early post-hype sleepers.

DeVonta Smith - I think he's a superstar. Long-term, he will be a #1 WR somewhere. I'm not sure if Philadelphia can afford to keep him long-term. I want in before he becomes the guy somewhere else in a few years.

Dalton Kincaid - With the whispers that Diggs might get moved in the offseason, Kincaid could be in prime territory to breakout early.

[Shcritters]

Justin Herbert - Won't be a better time to buy.

Kendre Miller - If the injuries are behind him, look out. So much depends on Kamara's future, but he's one of my early post-hype sleepers.

DeVonta Smith - I think he's a superstar. Long-term, he will be a #1 WR somewhere. I'm not sure if Philadelphia can afford to keep him long-term. I want in before he becomes the guy somewhere else in a few years.

Dalton Kincaid - With the whispers that Diggs might get moved in the offseason, Kincaid could be in prime territory to breakout early.

I think Kincaid could gain value.,, but you’re going to have to pay a ton for him if it is an TE Prem league. In those leagues he was likely a top 4/5 pick this last year. Although he may be lower value in non-TE prem leagues.

Good call on Herbert… I’d be shocked if they don’t add a real WR or TE this year early in the draft. Nabers or Brock look really good at the 1.05 ish spot.

[StripesOfKC]

He was very good in year 2 though. A low QB1 and even better than that for just the second half.

If you think that's who the real Lawrence is or even closer to that than to Derek bleep Carr he's a smash buy

I'd agree if he wasn't still valued as a top 10 QB.

I'd much rather have Jordan Love and Kyler Murray who are valued below him via KTC. Probably Tua Tagovailoa and Brock Purdy, too

Agree on Kyler for sure

Love and Lawrence is about a wash to me. This time next year the dialogue on both could easily be flipped. Individual preference

Tua and Purdy I would not personally take but I suppose it's defensible. Pretty much one tier

[tstafford]

Justin Herbert - Won't be a better time to buy.

Kendre Miller - If the injuries are behind him, look out. So much depends on Kamara's future, but he's one of my early post-hype sleepers.

DeVonta Smith - I think he's a superstar. Long-term, he will be a #1 WR somewhere. I'm not sure if Philadelphia can afford to keep him long-term. I want in before he becomes the guy somewhere else in a few years.

Dalton Kincaid - With the whispers that Diggs might get moved in the offseason, Kincaid could be in prime territory to breakout early.

Agree on all and in particular Herbert (buy low) and Smith. Bought Smith in two leagues this season. Some percentage of FF managers just don't like Smith. They aren't all that interested because he's not an NFL WR1. I'm a buyer on Smith as he seems to be slightly less expensive than the other WRs I have in that tier.