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[mild]

The defense is legit but this "Fields has improved in the second half" narrative is purely based on Wins and losses.

Fields last 7 games: 5TDs, 3INTs 1200 yards, negative EPA on passing plays with 5 of those games vs teams with losing records.

I will be incredibly surprised if he's the bears QB going into next year.

Nailed it. Glad to see some sense in this thread.

FWIW early rumblings from League Sources on compensation have Fields at a 2nd or 3rd.

[wickerkat1212]

It all comes down to whether the Bears (and when I say that I mean Warren, Poles, Flus, etc) think adding Harrison/Latu/C will make a significant improvement and help Fields level up one last time, or that he's as good as he's going to get. I don't want to see him missing open Harrison, having Latu hold rushers for five seconds, but Fields holding his pass for seven, then throwing an INT or getting sacked. I'm really torn on Williams/Maye. But Williams has been getting love FOREVER so he seems like the smart choice. Williams/Nabers or Williams/Odunze plus an upgrade at Center could be really good. And this doesn't take into account ANY off-season moves/trades. If we DO take Williams that means we're moving Fields. Is that 1st, 2nd, and/or 3rd (or combination of picks) going to help build around Williams as well? Bowers? DE? Do we move Fields to ATL and get back London/Pitts/Bijan? IDK.

The ONLY thing I know is that I want Harrison on this team no matter what.

[Jigga94]

The ONLY thing I know is that I want Harrison on this team no matter what.

Even if it means bypassing a 'Generational' QB prospect?

Even if it means MHJ has to catch passes from Fields?

Even if it means MHJ gets frustrated and is out of town by year 4?

[Sriracha]

It all comes down to whether the Bears (and when I say that I mean Warren, Poles, Flus, etc) think adding Harrison/Latu/C will make a significant improvement and help Fields level up one last time, or that he's as good as he's going to get. I don't want to see him missing open Harrison, having Latu hold rushers for five seconds, but Fields holding his pass for seven, then throwing an INT or getting sacked. I'm really torn on Williams/Maye. But Williams has been getting love FOREVER so he seems like the smart choice. Williams/Nabers or Williams/Odunze plus an upgrade at Center could be really good. And this doesn't take into account ANY off-season moves/trades. If we DO take Williams that means we're moving Fields. Is that 1st, 2nd, and/or 3rd (or combination of picks) going to help build around Williams as well? Bowers? DE? Do we move Fields to ATL and get back London/Pitts/Bijan? IDK.

The ONLY thing I know is that I want Harrison on this team no matter what.

I went through these same concerns with Marcus Mariota during his time in TEN.

The transition from Fields the playmaker to Fields the game manager is already on its way. That's the beginning of the end for every starting QB outside of Alex Smith -- who was a never a guy you were happy with despite all of the wins he accumulated.

It's time to move on. The idea that Darnell Mooney is bad enough that you need to draft a generational WR to be your WR2 behind DJ Moore just to start gaining positive EPA on pass plays is absolutely laughable.

[Kurtrambis1]

The defense is legit but this "Fields has improved in the second half" narrative is purely based on Wins and losses.

Fields last 7 games: 5TDs, 3INTs 1200 yards, negative EPA on passing plays with 5 of those games vs teams with losing records.

I will be incredibly surprised if he's the bears QB going into next year.

Add in 400 yards rushing, 3 TD's, and remember two of the 3 interceptions were Hail Mary's. One of which was dropped by Mooney for the game-winning TD. The Bears are winning because he isn't turning the ball over. His play is directly influencing the wins.

But is it enough to overcome his career record or his early season struggles. No idea. I don't think passing up on Caleb Williams, if he's generational, is a good idea. Is Caleb Williams generational though?

[Sriracha]

The defense is legit but this "Fields has improved in the second half" narrative is purely based on Wins and losses.

Fields last 7 games: 5TDs, 3INTs 1200 yards, negative EPA on passing plays with 5 of those games vs teams with losing records.

I will be incredibly surprised if he's the bears QB going into next year.

Add in 400 yards rushing, 3 TD's, and remember two of the 3 interceptions were Hail Mary's. One of which was dropped by Mooney for the game-winning TD. The Bears are winning because he isn't turning the ball over. His play is directly influencing the wins.

But is it enough to overcome his career record or his early season struggles. No idea. I don't think passing up on Caleb Williams, if he's generational, is a good idea. Is Caleb Williams generational though?

Negative EPA on pass plays.

With DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, Darnell Mooney as your top 3 weapons.

They are most definitely not winning because of Fields but because they've faced a gauntlet of terrible QBs and their defense is playing lights out.

[wickerkat1212]

The ONLY thing I know is that I want Harrison on this team no matter what.

Even if it means bypassing a 'Generational' QB prospect?

Even if it means MHJ has to catch passes from Fields?

Even if it means MHJ gets frustrated and is out of town by year 4?

No. LOL I meant I want him whether we take Williams or Maye or keep Fields. Year four I can't control.

[wickerkat1212]

It all comes down to whether the Bears (and when I say that I mean Warren, Poles, Flus, etc) think adding Harrison/Latu/C will make a significant improvement and help Fields level up one last time, or that he's as good as he's going to get. I don't want to see him missing open Harrison, having Latu hold rushers for five seconds, but Fields holding his pass for seven, then throwing an INT or getting sacked. I'm really torn on Williams/Maye. But Williams has been getting love FOREVER so he seems like the smart choice. Williams/Nabers or Williams/Odunze plus an upgrade at Center could be really good. And this doesn't take into account ANY off-season moves/trades. If we DO take Williams that means we're moving Fields. Is that 1st, 2nd, and/or 3rd (or combination of picks) going to help build around Williams as well? Bowers? DE? Do we move Fields to ATL and get back London/Pitts/Bijan? IDK.

The ONLY thing I know is that I want Harrison on this team no matter what.

I went through these same concerns with Marcus Mariota during his time in TEN.

The transition from Fields the playmaker to Fields the game manager is already on its way. That's the beginning of the end for every starting QB outside of Alex Smith -- who was a never a guy you were happy with despite all of the wins he accumulated.

It's time to move on. The idea that Darnell Mooney is bad enough that you need to draft a generational WR to be your WR2 behind DJ Moore just to start gaining positive EPA on pass plays is absolutely laughable.

Good points.

[wickerkat1212]

The defense is legit but this "Fields has improved in the second half" narrative is purely based on Wins and losses.

Fields last 7 games: 5TDs, 3INTs 1200 yards, negative EPA on passing plays with 5 of those games vs teams with losing records.

I will be incredibly surprised if he's the bears QB going into next year.

Add in 400 yards rushing, 3 TD's, and remember two of the 3 interceptions were Hail Mary's. One of which was dropped by Mooney for the game-winning TD. The Bears are winning because he isn't turning the ball over. His play is directly influencing the wins.

But is it enough to overcome his career record or his early season struggles. No idea. I don't think passing up on Caleb Williams, if he's generational, is a good idea. Is Caleb Williams generational though?

Negative EPA on pass plays.

With DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, Darnell Mooney as your top 3 weapons.

They are most definitely not winning because of Fields but because they've faced a gauntlet of terrible QBs and their defense is playing lights out.

I bolded and underlined the line that bugs me. So, is Fields failing because his core three are mediocre? DJM is great, obviously. Do they drag him down, or should he be elevating them? His play with DJM has been electric. Will Williams do better with this same group? I assume if we do take Williams that you want to give him more weapons, too. It's complicated, right? LOL.

But if Williams really is who we think he is, Fields is done. I just don't know that for sure. I HOPE he is, if we take him.

[Kurtrambis1]

The defense is legit but this "Fields has improved in the second half" narrative is purely based on Wins and losses.

Fields last 7 games: 5TDs, 3INTs 1200 yards, negative EPA on passing plays with 5 of those games vs teams with losing records.

I will be incredibly surprised if he's the bears QB going into next year.

Add in 400 yards rushing, 3 TD's, and remember two of the 3 interceptions were Hail Mary's. One of which was dropped by Mooney for the game-winning TD. The Bears are winning because he isn't turning the ball over. His play is directly influencing the wins.

But is it enough to overcome his career record or his early season struggles. No idea. I don't think passing up on Caleb Williams, if he's generational, is a good idea. Is Caleb Williams generational though?

Negative EPA on pass plays.

With DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, Darnell Mooney as your top 3 weapons.

They are most definitely not winning because of Fields but because they've faced a gauntlet of terrible QBs and their defense is playing lights out.

Is there a stat that includes rushing in it? I said he isn't turning the ball over and that is directly influencing wins. If a team offers a 1st or a 2nd round pick I think the Bears should trade Justin to reset the contract clock and aim for someone with a higher ceiling.

[Sriracha]

I bolded and underlined the line that bugs me. So, is Fields failing because his core three are mediocre? DJM is great, obviously. Do they drag him down, or should he be elevating them? His play with DJM has been electric. Will Williams do better with this same group? I assume if we do take Williams that you want to give him more weapons, too. It's complicated, right? LOL.

But if Williams really is who we think he is, Fields is done. I just don't know that for sure. I HOPE he is, if we take him.

Not complicated, at all. I'd expect Williams to succeed with these weapons. Adding in more weapons is likely given the depth of this draft class and their alotted draft capital but hardly necessary.

While I think Williams is the best prospect we've had in a while I'd expect Maye to also do well with the surrounding talent in CHI

Probably Penix, too.

[CGW]

Any of you analytical Bears fans want to sell me on Darnell Mooney being a good WR2 in the year 2023? To my simpleton eye test, the guy isn't getting open anymore. Open scores seems to back that theory up. Fields may be a problem, but whoever is the Bears QB in 2024 is going to need a better WR2, especially if it's with the same "offensive" minds at the helm.

[wickerkat1212]

Any of you analytical Bears fans want to sell me on Darnell Mooney being a good WR2 in the year 2023? To my simpleton eye test, the guy isn't getting open anymore. Open scores seems to back that theory up. Fields may be a problem, but whoever is the Bears QB in 2024 is going to need a better WR2, especially if it's with the same "offensive" minds at the helm.

He hasn't been the same. IDK if it's 100% him or 50/50 with Fields. I guess if we draft Williams we'll see, right? But I really think if they do take Caleb, and I think they will, they will draft ONE of Harrison, Nabers, or Odzune. And if that makes Mooney WR3, that's not a bad thing. The rest of the WRs are scrubs. Also, Bowers with Kmet? Terrible for fantasy, but great for the team.

[CGW]

Any of you analytical Bears fans want to sell me on Darnell Mooney being a good WR2 in the year 2023? To my simpleton eye test, the guy isn't getting open anymore. Open scores seems to back that theory up. Fields may be a problem, but whoever is the Bears QB in 2024 is going to need a better WR2, especially if it's with the same "offensive" minds at the helm.

He hasn't been the same. IDK if it's 100% him or 50/50 with Fields. I guess if we draft Williams we'll see, right? But I really think if they do take Caleb, and I think they will, they will draft ONE of Harrison, Nabers, or Odzune. And if that makes Mooney WR3, that's not a bad thing. The rest of the WRs are scrubs. Also, Bowers with Kmet? Terrible for fantasy, but great for the team.

Hate to burst the bubble, but if you take Williams you will not be getting Harrison and probably not Nabers. You may possibly get Odunze or Coleman though.

[Sriracha]

Any of you analytical Bears fans want to sell me on Darnell Mooney being a good WR2 in the year 2023? To my simpleton eye test, the guy isn't getting open anymore. Open scores seems to back that theory up. Fields may be a problem, but whoever is the Bears QB in 2024 is going to need a better WR2, especially if it's with the same "offensive" minds at the helm.

He hasn't been the same. IDK if it's 100% him or 50/50 with Fields. I guess if we draft Williams we'll see, right? But I really think if they do take Caleb, and I think they will, they will draft ONE of Harrison, Nabers, or Odzune. And if that makes Mooney WR3, that's not a bad thing. The rest of the WRs are scrubs. Also, Bowers with Kmet? Terrible for fantasy, but great for the team.

Hate to burst the bubble, but if you take Williams you will not be getting Harrison and probably not Nabers. You may possibly get Odunze or Coleman though.

Odunze is being mocked higher than Nabers by multiple analysts. We'll see how things shake out later in the year but I'd rather pair Odunze with DJ Moore than Nabers, anyway.

It's a huge overreaction to think that you need to invest in a top flight WR prospect just to upgrade your WR2 spot. Regardless of who the QB is DJ Moore is a true #1 and the depth in this class is pretty remarkable.