All Things Bears

[mild]

He's not worth a top 12 pick. His contract is prohibitive, and the Bears don't have leverage. Early 2nd, late first at most. At most. I can't see that TBH. I think a 2nd is much more realistic.

His contract is not prohibitive in the slightest.

He counts a mere 6 million against the cap in 2024, or, if you prefer: "1/7th of a Daniel Jones"

The 2025 option is currently estimated at 23 million. Or, if you prefer: "1/2 a Daniel Jones"

The Bears have until May to exercise that option. My sense is that any acquiring team will make sure it's exercised, to give themselves leverage in case Fields has a big year when placed in a system with more weapons and better offensive coaching.
See: 2022 Daniel Jones.

Just shy of 30 million for 2 years of contract-controlled Justin Fields is pretty good business, actually. Daniel Jones!

[wickerkat1212]

He's not worth a top 12 pick. His contract is prohibitive, and the Bears don't have leverage. Early 2nd, late first at most. At most. I can't see that TBH. I think a 2nd is much more realistic.

His contract is not prohibitive in the slightest.

He counts a mere 6 million against the cap in 2024, or, if you prefer: "1/7th of a Daniel Jones"

The 2025 option is currently estimated at 23 million. Or, if you prefer: "1/2 a Daniel Jones"

The Bears have until May to exercise that option. My sense is that any acquiring team will make sure it's exercised, to give themselves leverage in case Fields has a big year when placed in a system with more weapons and better offensive coaching.
See: 2022 Daniel Jones.

Just shy of 30 million for 2 years of contract-controlled Justin Fields is pretty good business, actually. Daniel Jones!

Correct. I think they keep Fields, trade back and get Harrison/Nabers/Bowers/LT/DE/C.

[killer_of_giants]

Mooney has faded.

he's third read for a guy that looks at dj moore and then takes off. sometimes he sees kmet because he's close by and big. everyone else is there just to mildly occupy a DB.

[CubfanAA]

Mooney has faded.

he's third read for a guy that looks at dj moore and then takes off. sometimes he sees kmet because he's close by and big. everyone else is there just to mildly occupy a DB.

It's really not just that. Since injuring the ankle last year Mooney looks noticeably slower on the field and his cuts don't look as smooth. He really is not the same player he was in 2021. It's possible he comes back next year and gets back to form after another offseason of recovery, but I don't think I would bet on that. If you watch Bears games they really are not force feeding DJ Moore as much as the stats indicate...If anything given the obvious talent disparity between him and the rest of the receivers they should be forcing it to him more than they are.

[killer_of_giants]

Mooney has faded.

he's third read for a guy that looks at dj moore and then takes off. sometimes he sees kmet because he's close by and big. everyone else is there just to mildly occupy a DB.

It's really not just that. Since injuring the ankle last year Mooney looks noticeably slower on the field and his cuts don't look as smooth. He really is not the same player he was in 2021. It's possible he comes back next year and gets back to form after another offseason of recovery, but I don't think I would bet on that. If you watch Bears games they really are not force feeding DJ Moore as much as the stats indicate...If anything given the obvious talent disparity between him and the rest of the receivers they should be forcing it to him more than they are.

like i'd let facts get in the way of yet another shot at fields...

[TheTroll]

he's third read for a guy that looks at dj moore and then takes off. sometimes he sees kmet because he's close by and big. everyone else is there just to mildly occupy a DB.

It's really not just that. Since injuring the ankle last year Mooney looks noticeably slower on the field and his cuts don't look as smooth. He really is not the same player he was in 2021. It's possible he comes back next year and gets back to form after another offseason of recovery, but I don't think I would bet on that. If you watch Bears games they really are not force feeding DJ Moore as much as the stats indicate...If anything given the obvious talent disparity between him and the rest of the receivers they should be forcing it to him more than they are.

like i'd let facts get in the way of yet another shot at fields...

There is talk the Bears could use pick #2 in the first to get another premier WR. it's great having talent like that, but if we dont have a QB that can go thru progressions before taking off and running like Techmo Bowl then it's a waste. I love Fields but sadly he is missing this progression piece for me. If CW has that skillset already, then i would think the answer is obvious to what they do draft day

[wickerkat1212]

It'll be interesting to see if we take Williams/Maye and then Harrison/Nabers/Odunze or keep fields and trade back, and get at least one of those WRs. I honestly don't know how I feel about either move.

[Cameron Giles]

Is trading Williams for a king's ransom worth it if you still don't have a franchise QB? I don't think it is, and that's what you're effectively doing.

If you're trading back, I think you have to make sure you can get Maye at least. Otherwise, why are you continuing to build around someone who isn't clearly a franchise QB and needs a new contract soon?

[frerichs5]

Is trading Williams for a king's ransom worth it if you still don't have a franchise QB? I don't think it is, and that's what you're effectively doing.

If you're trading back, I think you have to make sure you can get Maye at least. Otherwise, why are you continuing to build around someone who isn't clearly a franchise QB and needs a new contract soon?

Exactly what I think. If you still aren’t sure if Fields is the guy after 3 years…chances are he’s not. Time to move on when you’re in this position.

Now maybe the Bears org are sure he is, I don’t know. But the whole give him one more year to see makes no sense to me at this point.

[CubfanAA]

It'll be interesting to see if we take Williams/Maye and then Harrison/Nabers/Odunze or keep fields and trade back, and get at least one of those WRs. I honestly don't know how I feel about either move.

I think there is a good chance the Bears end up with something like Mike Evans and Tyler Boyd in free agency and all the WR draft talk dies way down. If Poles wants to keep his GM job the Bears really need to win in 2024 and established good vet WR's will help either Fields OR a rookie a lot more than the rookie WR will. IF I was an NFL GM on the hotseat for the Bears I would spend all the FA cap space on WR's, Connor Williams and Robert Hunt to shore up the offense. That would leave a lot of flexibility in the draft.

[wickerkat1212]

Is trading Williams for a king's ransom worth it if you still don't have a franchise QB? I don't think it is, and that's what you're effectively doing.

If you're trading back, I think you have to make sure you can get Maye at least. Otherwise, why are you continuing to build around someone who isn't clearly a franchise QB and needs a new contract soon?

I'm leaning this way more and more. I'm trying to figure out if Fields having Harrison/Nabers would make a difference. It's really a matter of if Williams is really the man, and whether the Bears will screw him up, too.

[wickerkat1212]

Bears in the top 10 among their positions:
Jaylon Johnson (CB2)
Montez Sweat (DE4)
Khari Blasingame (FB6)
Teven Jenkins (OG4)
TJ Edwards (ILB 4)
Cairo Santos (K3)
Justin Fields (QB10)
Jaquan Brisker (SS3)
Darnell Wright (OT9)
Cole Kmet (TE6)
DJ Moore (WR6)

[81-]

If a team comes along and offers a boatload for the #1, i think you have to consider it, especially if that team is the titans. they are going to be bad for a few years.. get their 1st this year, plus the next two. you could end up with the #1 again next year, or at least a top 3.

Build the team and if the growth doesn't continue, you have a ton of draft capital to move up next year or the year after without mortgaging the future.

[YouMightDieTryin]

If a team comes along and offers a boatload for the #1, i think you have to consider it, especially if that team is the titans. they are going to be bad for a few years.. get their 1st this year, plus the next two. you could end up with the #1 again next year, or at least a top 3.

Build the team and if the growth doesn't continue, you have a ton of draft capital to move up next year or the year after without mortgaging the future.

While I agree you can entertain the offer and try to speed up the rebuilding process...who are you taking next year instead of CW this year?

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Is trading Williams for a king's ransom worth it if you still don't have a franchise QB? I don't think it is, and that's what you're effectively doing.

If you're trading back, I think you have to make sure you can get Maye at least. Otherwise, why are you continuing to build around someone who isn't clearly a franchise QB and needs a new contract soon?

Exactly what I think. If you still aren’t sure if Fields is the guy after 3 years…chances are he’s not. Time to move on when you’re in this position.

Now maybe the Bears org are sure he is, I don’t know. But the whole give him one more year to see makes no sense to me at this point.

In scientific terms this is called “The Daniel Jones Purgatory Scenario”