Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[MacDaddy123]

Is there anybody in here who thinks Caleb Williams will be a bust?
Is there anybody in here who thinks Maye is better than Williams?
Is there anybody in here who thinks Daniels is better than Williams?

Just curious. I have the 1.02 and want Harrison there.

All player have bust potential, including Caleb.

In my leagues, MHJ will be the 1.01, I think because most people feel that he is the least likely to bust.

Also because in my leagues the teams with the better QB rooms tend to have the highest draft picks too.
Teams with the weakest QB rooms will have the late 1st round picks.

I have five 1sts, 1.01, 1.04, 1.06, 1.07/1.08 TBD in week 16, and the projected 1.12.
I plan on taking MHJ at 1.01, Malik Nabers at 1.04, either Bowers or Daniels at 1.06, Odunze or Frnaklin at 1.07/1.08, and BPA at whatever the last pick turns out to be.

My current QB room is: Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Josh Dobbs.

[wickerkat1212]

Is there anybody in here who thinks Caleb Williams will be a bust?
Is there anybody in here who thinks Maye is better than Williams?
Is there anybody in here who thinks Daniels is better than Williams?

Just curious. I have the 1.02 and want Harrison there.

All player have bust potential, including Caleb.

In my leagues, MHJ will be the 1.01, I think because most people feel that he is the least likely to bust.

Also because in my leagues the teams with the better QB rooms tend to have the highest draft picks too.
Teams with the weakest QB rooms will have the late 1st round picks.

I have five 1sts, 1.01, 1.04, 1.06, 1.07/1.08 TBD in week 16, and the projected 1.12.
I plan on taking MHJ at 1.01, Malik Nabers at 1.04, either Bowers or Daniels at 1.06, Odunze or Frnaklin at 1.07/1.08, and BPA at whatever the last pick turns out to be.

My current QB room is: Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Josh Dobbs.

Good stuff here.

[Cameron Giles]

There is a chance that Maye or Daniels are better than Williams. Not a strong chance, but a chance. Williams isn't without flaws, but I still maintain there's some overthinking with his game this season. The NCAA and NFL have told us he's going to be the #1 pick for three years now and that's boring, though it still tells us a ton about the prospect.

Williams will go 1.01 in the overwhelming majority of 2QB drafts. His floor is absurdly high. It's difficult to imagine him being a bust. Whether his career will be as great as he is a prospect is tough to say. Even Trevor Lawrence is very good, but not quite what his hype suggested....yet.

If you're hoping for Harrison at 1.02, I think you're in the clear. And if you aren't, I guess you'll have to settle for an all-time great QB prospect. Unfortunate.

[j4pac]

There is a chance that Maye or Daniels are better than Williams. Not a strong chance, but a chance. Williams isn't without flaws, but I still maintain there's some overthinking with his game this season. The NCAA and NFL have told us he's going to be the #1 pick for three years now and that's boring, though it still tells us a ton about the prospect.

Williams will go 1.01 in the overwhelming majority of 2QB drafts. His floor is absurdly high. It's difficult to imagine him being a bust. Whether his career will be as great as he is a prospect is tough to say. Even Trevor Lawrence is very good, but not quite what his hype suggested....yet.

If you're hoping for Harrison at 1.02, I think you're in the clear. And if you aren't, I guess you'll have to settle for an all-time great QB prospect. Unfortunate.

His personality is a lot more concerning than Lawrence. His floor is lower.

[Cameron Giles]

There is a chance that Maye or Daniels are better than Williams. Not a strong chance, but a chance. Williams isn't without flaws, but I still maintain there's some overthinking with his game this season. The NCAA and NFL have told us he's going to be the #1 pick for three years now and that's boring, though it still tells us a ton about the prospect.

Williams will go 1.01 in the overwhelming majority of 2QB drafts. His floor is absurdly high. It's difficult to imagine him being a bust. Whether his career will be as great as he is a prospect is tough to say. Even Trevor Lawrence is very good, but not quite what his hype suggested....yet.

If you're hoping for Harrison at 1.02, I think you're in the clear. And if you aren't, I guess you'll have to settle for an all-time great QB prospect. Unfortunate.

His personality is a lot more concerning than Lawrence. His floor is lower.

There are good and great QBs whose personalities are a little polarizing. I don't think it makes his floor lower. We're not talking Manziel, Winston or something here.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

All Players with (adjusted) College QBR of 94+ since 2004
Jayden Daniels
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Tua
Kyler Murray
Russel Wilson
Andrew Luck (93.8)

Don’t overthink it

[wickerkat1212]

There is a chance that Maye or Daniels are better than Williams. Not a strong chance, but a chance. Williams isn't without flaws, but I still maintain there's some overthinking with his game this season. The NCAA and NFL have told us he's going to be the #1 pick for three years now and that's boring, though it still tells us a ton about the prospect.

Williams will go 1.01 in the overwhelming majority of 2QB drafts. His floor is absurdly high. It's difficult to imagine him being a bust. Whether his career will be as great as he is a prospect is tough to say. Even Trevor Lawrence is very good, but not quite what his hype suggested....yet.

If you're hoping for Harrison at 1.02, I think you're in the clear. And if you aren't, I guess you'll have to settle for an all-time great QB prospect. Unfortunate.

Awesome, thanks. Yeah, I really want Harrison, but I will take Williams if he falls. If he's somewhere between Lawrence and Mahomes I'll be okay with that. And then it's a matter of who falls to 1.06 for me. If I get Harrison&Daniels that works. If I get Willams&Nabers/Bowers (2TEP) that works too.

[FantasyFreak]

There is a chance that Maye or Daniels are better than Williams. Not a strong chance, but a chance. Williams isn't without flaws, but I still maintain there's some overthinking with his game this season. The NCAA and NFL have told us he's going to be the #1 pick for three years now and that's boring, though it still tells us a ton about the prospect.

Williams will go 1.01 in the overwhelming majority of 2QB drafts. His floor is absurdly high. It's difficult to imagine him being a bust. Whether his career will be as great as he is a prospect is tough to say. Even Trevor Lawrence is very good, but not quite what his hype suggested....yet.

If you're hoping for Harrison at 1.02, I think you're in the clear. And if you aren't, I guess you'll have to settle for an all-time great QB prospect. Unfortunate.

His personality is a lot more concerning than Lawrence. His floor is lower.

There are good and great QBs whose personalities are a little polarizing. I don't think it makes his floor lower. We're not talking Manziel, Winston or something here.

That's debatable. I think it's at least a possibility it makes his floor lower. There are some who don't think he has the mental fortitude. They may be right. We don't know, but personality can absolutely make the floor lower, it happens all the time with players.

[Bronco Billy]

There is a chance that Maye or Daniels are better than Williams. Not a strong chance, but a chance. Williams isn't without flaws, but I still maintain there's some overthinking with his game this season. The NCAA and NFL have told us he's going to be the #1 pick for three years now and that's boring, though it still tells us a ton about the prospect.

Williams will go 1.01 in the overwhelming majority of 2QB drafts. His floor is absurdly high. It's difficult to imagine him being a bust. Whether his career will be as great as he is a prospect is tough to say. Even Trevor Lawrence is very good, but not quite what his hype suggested....yet.

If you're hoping for Harrison at 1.02, I think you're in the clear. And if you aren't, I guess you'll have to settle for an all-time great QB prospect. Unfortunate.

His personality is a lot more concerning than Lawrence. His floor is lower.

There are good and great QBs whose personalities are a little polarizing. I don't think it makes his floor lower. We're not talking Manziel, Winston or something here.

We could be. On top of his questions on personality and mental toughness, his last 7 games have been sub-elite efforts as a whole. That’s not a bad game or two. That’s 2 months of duds against PAC12 Ds.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Is there anybody in here who thinks Caleb Williams will be a bust?
Is there anybody in here who thinks Maye is better than Williams?
Is there anybody in here who thinks Daniels is better than Williams?

Just curious. I have the 1.02 and want Harrison there.

Whoever gets drafted by the Bears.

Personally I'm not going to be stupid and bypass someone that goes to the wrong organization, but it is going to put a red flag on them that I would be looking to move ASAP. Luckily I have a few Bears fans that would take the bait if he were to go there.

Anyone else have any reservations if he goes to the wrong landing spot?

[Cameron Giles]

His personality is a lot more concerning than Lawrence. His floor is lower.

There are good and great QBs whose personalities are a little polarizing. I don't think it makes his floor lower. We're not talking Manziel, Winston or something here.

That's debatable. I think it's at least a possibility it makes his floor lower. There are some who don't think he has the mental fortitude. They may be right. We don't know, but personality can absolutely make the floor lower, it happens all the time with players.

I'm only concerned if it negatively impacts your:

1. Play
2. Work ethic
3. The team

There are no indications that any of the above happened. In fact, Albert Breer discussed this a few weeks ago and talked about how USC and Oklahoma both had no issues with Williams, but the concern was more rooted in the people who represent him.

If we were dealing with a Winston or Manziel type of thing, then I'd definitely be concerned.

[Cameron Giles]

His personality is a lot more concerning than Lawrence. His floor is lower.

There are good and great QBs whose personalities are a little polarizing. I don't think it makes his floor lower. We're not talking Manziel, Winston or something here.

We could be. On top of his questions on personality and mental toughness, his last 7 games have been sub-elite efforts as a whole. That’s not a bad game or two. That’s 2 months of duds against PAC12 Ds.

USC was also very mediocre this season. Their defense was bad and their offensive line regressed overall. Williams was in a position where he had to shoulder a lot more than usual and USC needed shootouts to compete.

[Bronco Billy]

There are good and great QBs whose personalities are a little polarizing. I don't think it makes his floor lower. We're not talking Manziel, Winston or something here.

We could be. On top of his questions on personality and mental toughness, his last 7 games have been sub-elite efforts as a whole. That’s not a bad game or two. That’s 2 months of duds against PAC12 Ds.

USC was also very mediocre this season. Their defense was bad and their offensive line regressed overall. Williams was in a position where he had to shoulder a lot more than usual and USC needed shootouts to compete.

Elite players don’t need excuses. They just perform.

[Cameron Giles]

We could be. On top of his questions on personality and mental toughness, his last 7 games have been sub-elite efforts as a whole. That’s not a bad game or two. That’s 2 months of duds against PAC12 Ds.

USC was also very mediocre this season. Their defense was bad and their offensive line regressed overall. Williams was in a position where he had to shoulder a lot more than usual and USC needed shootouts to compete.

Elite players don’t need excuses. They just perform.

Unfortunately, it's not that simple when your overall football team regresses significantly in several key areas.

Still, he was 11th in QBR this year. It's not like he stunk. USC needed more hero ball from him to make up for what they were losing everywhere else and it just wasn't going to work against more talented and structured teams.

[Bronco Billy]

USC was also very mediocre this season. Their defense was bad and their offensive line regressed overall. Williams was in a position where he had to shoulder a lot more than usual and USC needed shootouts to compete.

Elite players don’t need excuses. They just perform.

Unfortunately, it's not that simple when your overall football team regresses significantly in several key areas.

Still, he was 11th in QBR this year. It's not like he stunk. USC needed more hero ball from him to make up for what they were losing everywhere else and it just wasn't going to work against more talented and structured teams.

Through the last 7 games? I don’t think so. I guess that will happen when he’s hanging 5 TDs on Nevada or 6TDs on Colorado. Not so much against a team that puts even a mediocre D on the field.