Marvin Harrison Jr and Dynasty WR Rankings

[gogobradyarm]

So where do you have Marvin Harrison in your WR rankings? Would love to hear rankings and thought processes.

For me, he is looking like the best WR prospect in a long time. I have him after JJ, Chase, AJB, Lamb in dynasty rankings today. That means ahead of ASRB, Olave, GW to name a few.

[Mjvb5]

Probably around WR 8-12

I get hes the best prospect in a while but I cant put him over guys who already look like studs just with meh situations when we dont know his situation and dont know if hes a stud

[Anteaters]

Probably around WR 8-12

I get hes the best prospect in a while but I cant put him over guys who already look like studs just with meh situations when we dont know his situation and dont know if hes a stud

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And I would not argue with anyone who wanted to say 13-17. DKM is as real an NFL-caliber WR as there is. I'm not ready to proclaim MHJr better than a beast like DKM. Not without seeing him actually do something on an NFL field.

I'd love to have MHJr on my teams, but I try to separate my hope from what's factual.

[MacDaddy123]

I am probably higher on MHJ than most, I think he is the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson in 2007.

Currently, I have him as my WR3 in dynasty, behind only Chase and JJ.
Now this is based on a good landing spot, if he winds up in Chicago, I might drop him down a couple spots on my board.

[Bronco Billy]

Well, I’ve got G Wilson and would trade him straight up for the 1.01 which would be Harrison. I’d guess that puts him around WR5 +/- territory right now.

[CGW]

As a prospect, he's better than all of these guys. But NFL production isn't simply having the right tools, so there's got to be some adjustment for the risk of him not translating for whatever reason.

WR 5-10 for me. JJ, Chase, Lamb, AJB comfortably above. Then there's a tier of MHJ, Wilson, ARSB, Olave, Waddle, Hill. If I had to pick, I'd take him in the early part of that tier, over Hill, Olave, and Waddle.

[StripesOfKC]

He will be WR3 before he ever plays a game. Just a fact

That’s not where I’d have him but it’s not so far from where he should be either

Don’t think he’s as good a prospect as Chase (Nabers is closer to MHJ than Devonta Smith was to Chase IMo) and Chase was like WR8 before people started docking him for no real reason but I think the dynasty community has gotten sharper on age and value for WRs instead of thinking “draft picks are coin flips”

[MacDaddy123]

He will be WR3 before he ever plays a game. Just a fact

That’s not where I’d have him but it’s not so far from where he should be either

Don’t think he’s as good a prospect as Chase (Nabers is closer to MHJ than Devonta Smith was to Chase IMo) and Chase was like WR8 before people started docking him for no real reason but I think the dynasty community has gotten sharper on age and value for WRs instead of thinking “draft picks are coin flips”

MHJ is a MUCH bigger prospect coming out than Chase was, mostly because Chase did not play his junior season.
I still remember a lot of people being down on Chase and Micah Parsons because they sat out their junior seasons (Covid).

I also think that Nabers is closer to Chase than Waddle was in 2021. Waddle was WR2 in 2021, DeVonta Smith was WR3.
I really like Nabers a LOT, and feel that he would be the WR1 in almost any other class in the past 5 years or so besides 2021 (Chase) and 2024 (MHJ).


I do agree that MHJ will instantly be the WR3 on KTC, whether people agree with it or not.
KTC always over-values young players and draft picks.

[ThirdWW]

I probably wouldn’t give up CD or AJB for him. I own Wilson, and I’d have to think long and hard, so I’d put him in that range.

[ThirdWW]

He will be WR3 before he ever plays a game. Just a fact

That’s not where I’d have him but it’s not so far from where he should be either

Don’t think he’s as good a prospect as Chase (Nabers is closer to MHJ than Devonta Smith was to Chase IMo) and Chase was like WR8 before people started docking him for no real reason but I think the dynasty community has gotten sharper on age and value for WRs instead of thinking “draft picks are coin flips”

MHJ is a MUCH bigger prospect coming out than Chase was, mostly because Chase did not play his junior season.
I still remember a lot of people being down on Chase and Micah Parsons because they sat out their junior seasons (Covid).

I also think that Nabers is closer to Chase than Waddle was in 2021. Waddle was WR2 in 2021, DeVonta Smith was WR3.
I really like Nabers a LOT, and feel that he would be the WR1 in almost any other class in the past 5 years or so besides 2021 (Chase) and 2024 (MHJ).


I do agree that MHJ will instantly be the WR3 on KTC, whether people agree with it or not.
KTC always over-values young players and draft picks.

For what it’s worth, I’m very high on Nabers too. Depending on landing spot, could be more of a JJ/CD pairing than Chase/Waddle. Not saying JJ was the same level prospect as MHJ, but you get it.

[SteveMaddensShoes]

So a lot of you are claiming he is not top 3-5. I’d say no one here should own him if that’s the case. If he is in your sig after that 24 draft, your are not actually ranking him wr 5-10(or even 13-17 like one poster said). I’d say you would have no problem getting anyone after Chase, JJ, Lamb and AJB for the pick.

[Anteaters]

So where do you have Marvin Harrison in your WR rankings? Would love to hear rankings and thought processes.

So a lot of you are claiming he is not top 3-5. I’d say no one here should own him if that’s the case. If he is in your sig after that 24 draft, your are not actually ranking him wr 5-10(or even 13-17 like one poster said). I’d say you would have no problem getting anyone after Chase, JJ, Lamb and AJB for the pick.

Two different things are being discussed here.

The OP said where do we rank MHJr in our personal rankings.
A lot of responses are discussing where they think others/services will "value" MHJr in their rankings.
Both are fine discussions, but they are very different discussions to me.

When I mentioned my ranking of MHJr, I'm talking about how I think he'll do in his first two years, and how I project him to set himself up for years three and four and beyond. Now, to do this without knowing his landing spot is like playing darts with your off hand.

If MHJr ends up in Arizona with Kyler and Hollywood walks, that could be a perfect situation. If MHJr ends up in Philly with AJB+Devonta still there, we won't get maximum output.

FWIW, I'm excited to see his landing spot, watch him in the NFL, and hope to get a share. What I'm not doing is predicting he's coming out of the gate with instant WR1 seasons of production. It's far too early to do that. Or I guess the ghost of wasted Pitts draft picks isn't rattling its chains loud enough?

[mild]

So a lot of you are claiming he is not top 3-5. I’d say no one here should own him if that’s the case. If he is in your sig after that 24 draft, your are not actually ranking him wr 5-10(or even 13-17 like one poster said). I’d say you would have no problem getting anyone after Chase, JJ, Lamb and AJB for the pick.

There can be nuance to the decision, it's allowed.

I'd not blame anybody for thinking they'd rather have AJB or Lamb or even Amon-Ra if they're a contender that's had the year from hell (or if they're holding that pick through sharp trades). These guys will probably all make sense more for a contending team than trusting a rook.

Likewise, I think I'd struggle to give up GW at this point on my own stacked contender, not knowing where Marvin is landing. GW is on pace for a 1200+ yard season with Zach Wilson; if he hits it, that'll be b2b 1100 yard seasons at ages 22 and 23 with bottom-tier QB play. If he ever gets competent QB play (and there's a chance!) I think he could legitimately vie for a weekly Top 5 WR in the same tier as Diggs / AJB / etc. He's got just as much of a chance at joining that top JJ/Chase tier as Marvin does, imo.

If you're a rebuilding team (quite likely with this pick) and you can afford to wait, and you're youth focussed - you can definitely take him with the hope that his ceiling could be that Chase/JJ tier. That's absolutely in his range of outcomes, and nobody will raise an eyebrow if you want to gamble on him "being the guy". Besides which - there's no real risk. He's going to be valued in that top 7 at the worst; someone in your league will always value him higher and be keen to pay up if you choose to cash out.

Ranking him this early is simply baking in the uncertainty, that's all. Some teams / builds require more certainty. Others can afford to wait, and see what he becomes. It's not a hard-and-fast rule.

https://tankathon.com/nfl

There are absolutely landing spots that will boost his stock, and ones that would depress it. That's why ranking him now is pretty much a waste of time... but you do you boo

[FantasyFreak]

I said he'd be WR3 for many, a while back, if you guys recall. I can now see Ceedee going ahead of him, but I think he'll go ahead of Garrett Wilson, at this point. Anywhere between WR 3-5, he'll be going, in startups, and Anywhere between 1 and 7th overall in 1 QB startups. He may slip to near 1.10 in some leagues, but not many IMO. You know some people are taking him 1.01 in startups. It's going to happen.

[MacDaddy123]

So where do you have Marvin Harrison in your WR rankings? Would love to hear rankings and thought processes.

So a lot of you are claiming he is not top 3-5. I’d say no one here should own him if that’s the case. If he is in your sig after that 24 draft, your are not actually ranking him wr 5-10(or even 13-17 like one poster said). I’d say you would have no problem getting anyone after Chase, JJ, Lamb and AJB for the pick.

Two different things are being discussed here.

The OP said where do we rank MHJr in our personal rankings.
A lot of responses are discussing where they think others/services will "value" MHJr in their rankings.
Both are fine discussions, but they are very different discussions to me.

When I mentioned my ranking of MHJr, I'm talking about how I think he'll do in his first two years, and how I project him to set himself up for years three and four and beyond. Now, to do this without knowing his landing spot is like playing darts with your off hand.

If MHJr ends up in Arizona with Kyler and Hollywood walks, that could be a perfect situation. If MHJr ends up in Philly with AJB+Devonta still there, we won't get maximum output.

FWIW, I'm excited to see his landing spot, watch him in the NFL, and hope to get a share. What I'm not doing is predicting he's coming out of the gate with instant WR1 seasons of production. It's far too early to do that. Or I guess the ghost of wasted Pitts draft picks isn't rattling its chains loud enough?

This is true, but to be honest, much of how we rank MHJ depends on team build and direction too.
For instance, I could make a case for MHJ to be my WR1 right now.

Just because I own the 1.01 in two leagues right now, and I am taking MHJ, and have no interest in trading that pick for any other WR.
Reason being is that both teams are in deep rebuilds, so I don't expect to compete until 2025 at the earliest.

I view WR's having a 9 year shelf life, and RB's having a 6 year shelf life. You can get more use than that if you get lucky.
So why would I want to trade away a WR with 0 years of usage for a WR with 3-5 years already in their rear view mirror?
Knowing they will have 5-7 years in the rear view mirror by the time I am ready to compete.

Now, if I had a roster where I thought I could compete in 2024, I may think differently, but probably not.
Like in every league where I owned JT, I tried to trade JT for the 1.01 this past off-season, of course there were no takers.

So I will be bold and say that MHJ is my WR1 right now, since there is no WR I would trade him for.

OTOH, I would definitely trade Garrett Wilson for MHJ, might even offer AJB for MHJ. and just like the Bijan owners turned down my JT offers, I would fully expect the MHJ owner to turn down my AJB or GW offers.

I would probably not offer JJ, Chase, or Lamb for MHJ on a contending team, but again, if I am getting MHJ, I wouldn't trade him away for JJ, Chase, or Lamb either on a rebuilding team.