You Should Be Up on Josh Downs

[Jigga94]

Me neither.
Although I'm sure someone will point out that it happened two years ago.

I'm not sure if you were joking or not but 2021 was kind of a precursor to this. They didn't hit to the extent 2023 has though

There were a lot of doubts about Waddle and Smith's size. Elijah Moore was a brief hit. Toss in Rondale Moore and Tutu Atwell and there were a lot of early WR that have turned out alright. Of course, I have much higher hopes for several WR in this class than I ever did Rondale/Tutu.

Yeah, Waddle, Olave, etc.. but they were still 180+. Before this season, I conceded, and was like, ok, 180 is the new 195. But now we're seeing this year so many sub-180's do well. 160's and 170's.

That's fair. Personally I just see below 190ish and put a small label on them, which means a lot less these days anyway. Idk if there is a real difference between 180 and 160 at this point for these guys, but you have a point. Prior to this year weight wise we only had Smith as a lightweight and he was 1st rounder with all the accolades. Now we get Tank Dell, Downs and Addison all under 175. Most impressive is how these guys aren't just typical slot WR either. Throw Zay into that mix even though hes a little over 180

[Anteaters]

I can't think of a rookie class that's had as many undersized players producing immediately as this one.

Me neither.
Although I'm sure someone will point out that it happened two years ago.

I'm not sure if you were joking or not but 2021 was kind of a precursor to this. They didn't hit to the extent 2023 has though

There were a lot of doubts about Waddle and Smith's size. Elijah Moore was a brief hit. Toss in Rondale Moore and Tutu Atwell and there were a lot of early WR that have turned out alright. Of course, I have much higher hopes for several WR in this class than I ever did Rondale/Tutu.

100% joking. I just picked a random year. I didn't even remember those guys were in that year when it popped into my head.

but I was completely serious when I agreed I can't remember a rookie class with this many small WRs doing well (and Achane)

[Orenthal Shames]

Any injury updates? It's been strangely silent.

[Jigga94]

Any injury updates? It's been strangely silent.

Should hear more towards end of week. I doubt he will practice today and they'd be smart to just sit him this week with the bye upcoming

[tstafford]

Any injury updates? It's been strangely silent.

Should hear more towards end of week. I doubt he will practice today and they'd be smart to just sit him this week with the bye upcoming

Totally expect him out w/ bye coming. Too bad. But the smart move for the team and him.

[Cameron Giles]

While there are still questions about what Anthony Richardson will be long-term. Downs quietly had a very good rookie season.

I've been seeing posts saying to trade him and re-roll for WRs who aren't as good. I don't really agree with that even with them drafting Mitchell. I would gladly take my chances with someone who's been winning like this.

His route tree almost identically translated through Reception Perception.

[blemly]

As soon as Mitchell was drafted the narrative became “welp Downs is done as the 3rd WR on a bad passing team” and I simply don’t agree. There is nothing that makes me question whether Pittman, Downs and Pierce/Mitchell can coexist on the field together. It may not be a pass heavy offense and there are still Qs about the QB throwing them, but I need more negatives than that to bail on a 2nd-year WR who, by all accounts, had a good rookie year.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

While there are still questions about what Anthony Richardson will be long-term. Downs quietly had a very good rookie season.

I've been seeing posts saying to trade him and re-roll for WRs who aren't as good. I don't really agree with that even with them drafting Mitchell. I would gladly take my chances with someone who's been winning like this.

His route tree almost identically translated through Reception Perception.

I think two things can be true. He’s good, but also that he doesn’t seem likely to be a difference maker for your fantasy team. Hes a sell for me in theory, but in practice you can’t even get a 2nd for him. And im not selling a young player I know is good for a 3rd.

[joeya2001]

Totally forgot about this guy lol

[Jigga94]

While there are still questions about what Anthony Richardson will be long-term. Downs quietly had a very good rookie season.

I've been seeing posts saying to trade him and re-roll for WRs who aren't as good. I don't really agree with that even with them drafting Mitchell. I would gladly take my chances with someone who's been winning like this.

His route tree almost identically translated through Reception Perception.

I think two things can be true. He’s good, but also that he doesn’t seem likely to be a difference maker for your fantasy team. Hes a sell for me in theory, but in practice you can’t even get a 2nd for him. And im not selling a young player I know is good for a 3rd.

Nailed it. I don't see how Downs is more than a WR3/4 for fantasy with Richardson likely leading a low volume passing attack. Pittman signing means he will be the target hog still. I'm not too worried about Mitchell since they do completely different things, I just think Downs going 4/60 most weeks doesn't help most fantasy teams. Maybe Richardson takes a huge step in the passing game. Maybe Pittman misses time or teams focus him. I could see Downs having spike weeks.

Still love the talent, just a semi-crowded room and a small pie. No way I sell for less than a mid 2nd.

[Cameron Giles]

While there are still questions about what Anthony Richardson will be long-term. Downs quietly had a very good rookie season.

I've been seeing posts saying to trade him and re-roll for WRs who aren't as good. I don't really agree with that even with them drafting Mitchell. I would gladly take my chances with someone who's been winning like this.

His route tree almost identically translated through Reception Perception.

I think two things can be true. He’s good, but also that he doesn’t seem likely to be a difference maker for your fantasy team. Hes a sell for me in theory, but in practice you can’t even get a 2nd for him. And im not selling a young player I know is good for a 3rd.

Depending on the format, you can easily get a 2nd for him. But, seeing what has been drafted in the 2nd this year doesn't make me excited about that, because I'm likely getting a worse profile at WR.

I agree that his fantasy ceiling could be limited with Richardson being a question mark overall, but he still wouldn't be someone I'm looking to move either way just off initial productivity and the off chance that he can overcome it based on statistics like the above. A WR beating press and man like that, while being really good at winning against zone is a great sign.

[FantasyFreak]

Downs with Goff, or Carr, Cousins, or Stroud, even Geno, a pocket passer who will go through progressions and you know will, I'd love this guy a whole lot more for FF. He's just not a difference maker. With the right QB, he could be a WR2 for sure. I don't know about Indy, with Richardson.

Probably a better real life player than a FF player, and it's really not his fault.

[blemly]

Downs with Goff, or Carr, Cousins, or Stroud, even Geno, a pocket passer who will go through progressions and you know will, I'd love this guy a whole lot more for FF. He's just not a difference maker. With the right QB, he could be a WR2 for sure. I don't know about Indy, with Richardson.

Probably a better real life player than a FF player, and it's really not his fault.

I mean, it’s dynasty right? If you’re only getting a late 2nd/early 3rd on the guy and you believe that he could be good in the right situation, I don’t think it’s fair to generally write him off. He’s what, 22, 23?

[FantasyFreak]

Downs with Goff, or Carr, Cousins, or Stroud, even Geno, a pocket passer who will go through progressions and you know will, I'd love this guy a whole lot more for FF. He's just not a difference maker. With the right QB, he could be a WR2 for sure. I don't know about Indy, with Richardson.

Probably a better real life player than a FF player, and it's really not his fault.

I mean, it’s dynasty right? If you’re only getting a late 2nd/early 3rd on the guy and you believe that he could be good in the right situation, I don’t think it’s fair to generally write him off. He’s what, 22, 23?

I'm not writing him off. I think he's a good football player. I don't think he's ever a WR1, but a WR2, sure. If it works out with A Rich. If not, he likely gets another QB, or goes to another team, and it takes years, but I can see it, and that's valuable, especially where you drafted him in your rookie draft.

I think he has WR2 upside. I like Steichen, and have high hopes for Richardson, but I also have some caution about the situation.

[tstafford]

I have one share and I'm just holding and hoping. I'd take an early '24 2nd and re-roll with guys like Coleman, Pearsall, Benson (but I'm not getting that). But I'd prefer Downs to a late 2nd - guys like Polk, Corley, etc (and even that I'm not sure I'm getting).