Musgrave worth a late first in non TEP?

[FantasyFreak]

I think maybe we’re being a little too harsh on Luke. Look how long it takes most tight ends to get going. 3 years? He’s already flashing and it’s not like he doesn’t have the draft capital and insane measurables.

I thought that the question was whether he was worth a late first in NON TEP, though? It's not close right now, he's not, and I roster the guy. He's got potential, and has flashed, but he's nowhere near a first yet.

I agree but there seemed to be talk earlier in this thread about him being a guy who won’t put it together and has been erratic.

His offense is dysfunctional and he didn’t even play his last year in college. Maybe it’s LaPorta looking like an A lister rookie of the year but Musgrave has shown really nice open field ability and he’s a big in-line body. Plenty capable of TE1 by year 2.

Ah, OK. Musgrave didn't play much in college due to injuries, it's a concern, lack of production/experience, and durability. I think the offense is in it's infant stage, with almost all players being inexperienced, behind an injured OL. However Musgrave, in most other situations/teams, wouldn't be starting. So have to take the good with the bad, there.

I still think Pitts is going to be better, he's still only 23. Giving up on a TE too early is dangerous, no doubt. I mean, Hock didn't really get going until he went to Minny, and got a better situation. Plenty of time for Musgrave to improve. He's really athletic, and I think he's got big play potential. He's a weapon, no doubt.

[Sriracha]

I think maybe we’re being a little too harsh on Luke. Look how long it takes most tight ends to get going. 3 years? He’s already flashing and it’s not like he doesn’t have the draft capital and insane measurables.

I thought that the question was whether he was worth a late first in NON TEP, though? It's not close right now, he's not, and I roster the guy. He's got potential, and has flashed, but he's nowhere near a first yet.

I agree but there seemed to be talk earlier in this thread about him being a guy who won’t put it together and has been erratic.

His offense is dysfunctional and he didn’t even play his last year in college. Maybe it’s LaPorta looking like an A lister rookie of the year but Musgrave has shown really nice open field ability and he’s a big in-line body. Plenty capable of TE1 by year 2.

I just can't get over how bad he looks adjusting to the ball in the air. He makes every catch look like a prayer was just answered and he's not a strong YAC TE dating back to college. The guy would have to play like Jimmy Graham to become an elite TE given his strengths and weaknesses and I just don't see the natural ball skills to make that realistic.

Anything can happen and he's definitely got some of the secret sauce you look for in fantasy TEs.. but I personally see his absolute ceiling as Jermichael Finley without the tackle breaking ability which isn't a guy I'd be happy to sink a 1st into.

Seems like a good kid, though and I'm rooting for him. Hopefully he proves me wrong as it'd be nice to finally see the "TE is deeper than it's ever been" narrative we hear every off-season finally bear fruit

[TheTroll]

Name a top tier TE that didn’t have a top tier QB

[Anteaters]

Name a top tier TE that didn’t have a top tier QB

Waller with the Raiders -- a couple of T5TE finishes. I like Carr more than most fantasy managers, but the consensus seems to be Carr is not a top tier QB.

Logan Thomas - always had a good ppg, though injuries hold him back. No one would say he's played with a top tier QB in WAS.

Kittle -- No one respects SF QBs over the last decade ("it's the system, not the QBs"), but Kittle has been pretty good with all of them.

Ertz -- delivered fantasy points with top tier and not top tier.

Kelce -- put up T3TE seasons before Mahomes.

I think it's less about the QB and more about the offensive philosophy. Some OCs love to pass to the TE. Other OCs see TEs primarily as blockers.

[81-]

Kmet is currently te6 in my league

[Pac_Eddy]

Kmet is currently te6 in my league

Has his production been higher with Baguette or Justin Fields?

[Bronco Billy]

Kmet is currently te6 in my league

Has his production been higher with Baguette or Justin Fields?

literally lol

[Jrblaha]

I think maybe we’re being a little too harsh on Luke. Look how long it takes most tight ends to get going. 3 years? He’s already flashing and it’s not like he doesn’t have the draft capital and insane measurables.

I thought that the question was whether he was worth a late first in NON TEP, though? It's not close right now, he's not, and I roster the guy. He's got potential, and has flashed, but he's nowhere near a first yet.

I agree but there seemed to be talk earlier in this thread about him being a guy who won’t put it together and has been erratic.

His offense is dysfunctional and he didn’t even play his last year in college. Maybe it’s LaPorta looking like an A lister rookie of the year but Musgrave has shown really nice open field ability and he’s a big in-line body. Plenty capable of TE1 by year 2.

He might be a TE1 by year 2, but how many TE1s are worth a 1st? The scoring differential between say TE5 and TE12 is only 2 pts.

In standard 1pt ppr, top 12 points per game TE are.
1) Kelce - 17.59
2) Andrews - 15.59
3) Hock - 14.52
4) LaPorta - 13.8
5) Kmet - 12.06
6) Engram - 11.55
7) Schultz - 11.25
8) Ferg - 10.35
9) Hill (if he counts for you) - 10.29
10) Geodert - 10.11
11) Waller - 10.05
12) L Thomas - 10.04

[Shcritters]

In non-TEP, no.

In TE Prem, probably. I took him at 1.12 and have been pleased. He’s on track for 50-500 as a rookie TE… with a terrible QB right now. He’s shown enough potential to be considered a back-end TE1 if he improves and the situation around him does also.

[Space Cowboy]

I took the deal which ended up being a mid to late 2nd for Musgrave. I worded this wrong but I appreciate all the input.

He’s a fluid athlete. I think his floor roughly is Dalton Schultz once he gets comfortable.

[CGW]

Mid to late 2nd is fine. A mid first is too much obviously, but the 2nd is fair with what he's shown so far.