JJ/Chase - Am I crazy?

[Prison_Mike]

Team 2 in signature - 12tm PPR SF

I just traded for JJ yesterday - (Gave: Bijan + London | Got: JJ + Nico)

Today, the Chase owner, who is actively tanking came knocking for a JJ/Chase swap.

He wanted JJ+ '24 mid 2nd for Chase.
I immediately countered with JJ + Gibbs + 2nd for Chase + Breece

He said "I thought the JJ+2/Chase swap was fair since you're contending and JJ's injury could linger.

I told him my team is 5-0 (also playing 2 rebuilders the next two weeks), and will survive JJ's 4-5 week injury. And said if they shut him down for the year, so be it. I'm not paying a 2nd on top of JJ when I don't think his long-term outlook has changed. Told him if he's willing to do the RB swap, I'll do it. And if not, no worries but I'll hold because I wouldn't add much more than that. I think the deal I offered is mutually beneficial considering JJ helps him shed points, and he gets an additional pick.

He thought I was crazy to have Breece/Gibbs even close, which I understand but as I told him, Gibbs still possesses the elite ceiling I drafted him for, and I'm not scared off by a few weeks. He said cool, let me think about it and get back to you.

His final counter was:

JJ + Gibbs + Aiyuk + '24 mid 2nd
for
Chase + Breece + Pickens

(He's tried to sell me Pickens for several months. I personally haven't been a believer, still am not, and have Aiyuk significantly higher).

I would imagine this forum will tell me I'm crazy because of the Gibbs/Hall stance. I already declined but....thoughts?

[Gator Sens]

I think the value is here to make the deal because of Hall but I would be fine holding. I prefer Jefferson to Chase, so despite the value boost in the secondary pieces, I would not view this as a must-make trade.

[Prison_Mike]

I think the value is here to make the deal because of Hall but I would be fine holding. I prefer Jefferson to Chase, so despite the value boost in the secondary pieces, I would not view this as a must-make trade.

Thanks Gator, I agree. Jefferson and Chase are in their own tier but I think the community widely prefers JJ (myself included).
I think the most I'd add to my original counter would be '25 2nd.

[JJRules]

His final counter was:

JJ + Gibbs + Aiyuk + '24 mid 2nd
for
Chase + Breece + Pickens

I would have accepted that. JJ and Chase are a wash long term, with Chase helping you win more games this year, and I like Pickens and Aiyuk about the same.

This trade to me is Gibbs and a second for Breece Hall, plus some extra active WR1 games. Especially in a competing year, I'm smashing accept on this.

[Prison_Mike]

His final counter was:

JJ + Gibbs + Aiyuk + '24 mid 2nd
for
Chase + Breece + Pickens

I would have accepted that. JJ and Chase are a wash long term, with Chase helping you win more games this year, and I like Pickens and Aiyuk about the same.

This trade to me is Gibbs and a second for Breece Hall, plus some extra active WR1 games. Especially in a competing year, I'm smashing accept on this.

I hear ya, and I think your assessment is completely reasonable

Tbh I think I’d be more concerned about the JJ/Chase swap if I were a fringe contender. But as it stands, I’ve banked some wins @ 5-0 and play rebuilders 2 out of the 4/5 weeks JJ is projected to miss

I saw the deal as:

- JJ > Chase - sure they’re a wash, but I have a preference long-term and the shedding of points helps him as much as it helps me

- Gibbs < Hall - no question, but I think the market has this pretty close. For example, I wouldn’t give any more than a 2nd to move from Gibbs to Breece if the deal were just between the RBs, maybe two 2nds, but certainly not a 1st

- Aiyuk > Pickens - I guess this is my own personal bias but I do not project Pickens to be a long term difference-maker for fantasy football. I’d much rather bet on Aiyuk’s skill set and would probably have at least 12 WRs between them if I were to rank them. It also feels relevant to mention here that I don’t think my trade partner believes in Pickens either, as he’s tried to trade him to me often in the past

I guess it ultimately comes down to me thinking the gap between Aiyuk and Pickens is wider than the gap from Hall to Gibbs. I can understand the argument, I’d just prefer to bet on the ceilings of Aiyuk/Gibbs I guess

[BabyChark23]

Team 2 in signature - 12tm PPR SF

I just traded for JJ yesterday - (Gave: Bijan + London | Got: JJ + Nico)

Today, the Chase owner, who is actively tanking came knocking for a JJ/Chase swap.

He wanted JJ+ '24 mid 2nd for Chase.
I immediately countered with JJ + Gibbs + 2nd for Chase + Breece

He said "I thought the JJ+2/Chase swap was fair since you're contending and JJ's injury could linger.

I told him my team is 5-0 (also playing 2 rebuilders the next two weeks), and will survive JJ's 4-5 week injury. And said if they shut him down for the year, so be it. I'm not paying a 2nd on top of JJ when I don't think his long-term outlook has changed. Told him if he's willing to do the RB swap, I'll do it. And if not, no worries but I'll hold because I wouldn't add much more than that. I think the deal I offered is mutually beneficial considering JJ helps him shed points, and he gets an additional pick.

He thought I was crazy to have Breece/Gibbs even close, which I understand but as I told him, Gibbs still possesses the elite ceiling I drafted him for, and I'm not scared off by a few weeks. He said cool, let me think about it and get back to you.

His final counter was:

JJ + Gibbs + Aiyuk + '24 mid 2nd
for
Chase + Breece + Pickens

(He's tried to sell me Pickens for several months. I personally haven't been a believer, still am not, and have Aiyuk significantly higher).

I would imagine this forum will tell me I'm crazy because of the Gibbs/Hall stance. I already declined but....thoughts?

I think this is a preference trade. Just pick the pieces you like best. Personally, I prefer JJ side.

[Prison_Mike]

Team 2 in signature - 12tm PPR SF

I just traded for JJ yesterday - (Gave: Bijan + London | Got: JJ + Nico)

Today, the Chase owner, who is actively tanking came knocking for a JJ/Chase swap.

He wanted JJ+ '24 mid 2nd for Chase.
I immediately countered with JJ + Gibbs + 2nd for Chase + Breece

He said "I thought the JJ+2/Chase swap was fair since you're contending and JJ's injury could linger.

I told him my team is 5-0 (also playing 2 rebuilders the next two weeks), and will survive JJ's 4-5 week injury. And said if they shut him down for the year, so be it. I'm not paying a 2nd on top of JJ when I don't think his long-term outlook has changed. Told him if he's willing to do the RB swap, I'll do it. And if not, no worries but I'll hold because I wouldn't add much more than that. I think the deal I offered is mutually beneficial considering JJ helps him shed points, and he gets an additional pick.

He thought I was crazy to have Breece/Gibbs even close, which I understand but as I told him, Gibbs still possesses the elite ceiling I drafted him for, and I'm not scared off by a few weeks. He said cool, let me think about it and get back to you.

His final counter was:

JJ + Gibbs + Aiyuk + '24 mid 2nd
for
Chase + Breece + Pickens

(He's tried to sell me Pickens for several months. I personally haven't been a believer, still am not, and have Aiyuk significantly higher).

I would imagine this forum will tell me I'm crazy because of the Gibbs/Hall stance. I already declined but....thoughts?

I think this is a preference trade. Just pick the pieces you like best. Personally, I prefer JJ side.

JJ side on both offers?

[BabyChark23]

Team 2 in signature - 12tm PPR SF

I just traded for JJ yesterday - (Gave: Bijan + London | Got: JJ + Nico)

Today, the Chase owner, who is actively tanking came knocking for a JJ/Chase swap.

He wanted JJ+ '24 mid 2nd for Chase.
I immediately countered with JJ + Gibbs + 2nd for Chase + Breece

He said "I thought the JJ+2/Chase swap was fair since you're contending and JJ's injury could linger.

I told him my team is 5-0 (also playing 2 rebuilders the next two weeks), and will survive JJ's 4-5 week injury. And said if they shut him down for the year, so be it. I'm not paying a 2nd on top of JJ when I don't think his long-term outlook has changed. Told him if he's willing to do the RB swap, I'll do it. And if not, no worries but I'll hold because I wouldn't add much more than that. I think the deal I offered is mutually beneficial considering JJ helps him shed points, and he gets an additional pick.

He thought I was crazy to have Breece/Gibbs even close, which I understand but as I told him, Gibbs still possesses the elite ceiling I drafted him for, and I'm not scared off by a few weeks. He said cool, let me think about it and get back to you.

His final counter was:

JJ + Gibbs + Aiyuk + '24 mid 2nd
for
Chase + Breece + Pickens

(He's tried to sell me Pickens for several months. I personally haven't been a believer, still am not, and have Aiyuk significantly higher).

I would imagine this forum will tell me I'm crazy because of the Gibbs/Hall stance. I already declined but....thoughts?

I think this is a preference trade. Just pick the pieces you like best. Personally, I prefer JJ side.

JJ side on both offers?

Yeah, the second offer is worse because, like you, I much prefer Aiyuk to Pickens. Both trades are within the realm of reasonable though. I just prefer the JJ side in both cases.

[BucBuc]

I’m holding

[Oddball456]

Overall seems like a lateral trade all around, and I always keep what I have in lateral trades as in I don't do them.

[Prison_Mike]

I made the deal this morning.

Gave: JJ + Gibbs + '24 mid 2nd + '25 early/mid 2nd + '24 4th
Got: Chase + Breece

I agree that it's largely a lateral deal but on JJ/Chase, there's obviously no question that Chase puts me in a better position to keep winning over the next 4/5 weeks. And on Gibbs/Hall, two 2nds is the max I'd pay to move from Gibbs to Hall. And while I do still believe in Gibbs and think that 'difference-maker' is well within his range of outcomes, I'm not blind to the risk he carries given his slow start. At minimum, the market thinks Breece is the vastly superior asset, so paying 2 2nds (that I acquired Wednesday in exchange for Baker and Waller) felt reasonable

[JJRules]

I made the deal this morning.

Gave: JJ + Gibbs + '24 mid 2nd + '25 early/mid 2nd + '24 4th
Got: Chase + Breece

I absolutely love this for you.

[frerichs5]

I made the deal this morning.

Gave: JJ + Gibbs + '24 mid 2nd + '25 early/mid 2nd + '24 4th
Got: Chase + Breece

I absolutely love this for you.

Same. I too prefer JJ, but only slightly. I am concerned what Minn has for a QB next year and if he could dip until they find someone. I think he will be fine as he’s that talented, but I think he falls back closer to the group.

And I am on the side where I disagree Gibbs and a couple 2nds is equal to Breece. I have seen nothing to suggest that at this point personally. It’s still early for Gibbs, but I’d much rather take the one I’ve seen do it.

[murphysxm]

I know I am Mr. Chase fanboy here, but who is JJ going to have at QB next year? He is awesome and he will be fine, but Chase is tied to Joe Burrow for likely his career and they are close enough in talent that is a big plus for Chase log term. Add in that you are acquiring Breece Hall in the deal. I think you easily won this trade.

[yellowdart2448]

I think I would have said no as well. Mainly because of the Aiyuk aspect. I really value him highly as someone who could be really good in that offense for a while. And to me, it's a big gap back to Pickens. As everyone else said, JJ and Chase are a wash. Sure most pick JJ, but that's because of his situation with Kirk which could be over as soon as this month. Kirk just feeds him; who's to say a rookie/FA is capable of doing it as well as Kirk? JJ could suffer a little in production for the next few seasons. Chase is tied to Burrow for basically his whole career so there is no worry there.

Hall over Gibbs of course, but you can't panic on Gibbs through just 5 games. The gap between them is probably smaller than the gap between Aiyuk and Pickens IMO.