Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby 81- » Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:04 pm

You gotta draft em until you hit. I've got a long list of bums.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby wickerkat1212 » Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:17 pm

I had two shares of Pitts, kept one, moved the other for Andrews:

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Oddball456 » Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:58 pm

Kinda bummed about a low poor output game.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:03 pm

Oddball456 wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:58 pm Kinda bummed about a low poor output game.
Wasn't the regime who drafted him. Hope that they trade him for a pick, maybe a later first, or an OL, or whatever. Just stay patient. He's got a lot of years left, but Smith and this QB definitely aren't the right fit right now.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby McCafsteez » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm

When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby mild » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:19 pm

McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
He's still worth a mid-24 1st, ie. the same pick you advocated not to draft him with.

https://keeptradecut.com/trade-calculat ... sStartup=0

You also could have sold him for a windfall in the wake of his Rookie Season, adding ++ to the pick you were advocating not to draft him with. Lots of players with stories of selling Pitts upwards into cornerstone QB's / WR's out there, I'm sure.

In short: the pick to take Pitts has not proven to be a waste yet, strictly by asset value. Ergo: you must yet wait to take your lap. :D

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:28 pm

McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
You were half right. Your premise was he wouldn’t break out for several years, which was false. However, was he worth what people were saying? No.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby McCafsteez » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:33 pm

mild wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:19 pm
McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.


He's still worth a mid-24 1st, ie. the same pick you advocated not to draft him with.

https://keeptradecut.com/trade-calculat ... sStartup=0

You also could have sold him for a windfall in the wake of his Rookie Season, adding ++ to the pick you were advocating not to draft him with. Lots of players with stories of selling Pitts upwards into cornerstone QB's / WR's out there, I'm sure.

In short: the pick to take Pitts has not proven to be a waste yet, strictly by asset value. Ergo: you must yet wait to take your lap. :D
People were spending top 3 picks on him in 2021. Those players that those top 3 picks turned into (Chase, D. Smith, Etienne, Waddle, Lawrence, Fields) are still considered to be worth substantially more valuable than a mid 2024 first now.

Also, let’s be honest…no one who drafted Pitts that early was trading him after his rookie season. If they were willing to spend that premium pick on him, they were willing to hold him.

At the end these are what ifs and hypotheticals. My lap is well deserved as spending that premium pick on Pitts in 2021 was a mistake. Let me run my lap!! Haha - cheers, brother!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby mild » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:39 pm

McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:33 pm People were spending top 3 picks on him in 2021. Those players that those top 3 picks are still considered to be worth substantially more valuable than a mid 2024 first now.

Also, let’s be honest…no one who drafted pick that early was trading him after his rookie season. If they were willing to spend that premium pick on him, they were willing to hold him.

At the end these are what ifs and hypotheticals. My lap is well deserved as spending that premium pick on Pitts in 2021 was a mistake. Let me run my lap!! Haha - cheers, brother!
Oh right, you should have told me you were a 1QB luddite. I only play Superflex, and that was a Superflex trade value.

Good news! He's still worth a premium '24 pick! (ie. more than a mid-1st)

https://keeptradecut.com/trade-calculat ... sStartup=0

The victory laps will remain un-run until the bottoming out of Pitts' value is completed! GOOD DAY SIR :lol:

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby gogobradyarm » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:03 pm

McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
I don’t think spending high end first round picks in TEs in dynasty is fair here, because this is solely the offensive scheme and QB at this point. Pitts in KC obliterates the league.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Needalife » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:16 pm

IMO, bottom line is targets/usage. The TEs who get volume are the top fantasy guys more so than they are the best talents per se. I look at Hock as a perfect example... he did nothing in DET because he wasn't featured in the offense. The minute Hock got to MIN, he immediately became elite because he got the volume.

I don't feel like Pitts is a bad player at all. We saw what he did his rookie year. Sadly, he's stuck in an offense that refuses to feature him. I think the talent is still elite but the usage is complete trash.

All Pitts owners can do is hope for ATL losses, a coaching change or somehow a trade to maybe force a change up.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Finfansteve » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:19 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:03 pm
McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
I don’t think spending high end first round picks in TEs in dynasty is fair here, because this is solely the offensive scheme and QB at this point. Pitts in KC obliterates the league.
It’s quite possible that Pitts on ANY other team obliterates the league.

I’m not sure why you draft a guy 4th overall and do nothing with him to try to get some value from a pick that high. It’s so bizarre
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby McCafsteez » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:21 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:03 pm
McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
I don’t think spending high end first round picks in TEs in dynasty is fair here, because this is solely the offensive scheme and QB at this point. Pitts in KC obliterates the league.
It’s completely fair because it doesn’t matter why he hasn’t lived up to the value of the pick. All that matters is that he hasn’t and that’s why it was a waste to spend the premium pick on him. I can trade for him now at a substantially less cost than using a top 3 pick in 2021 on him which trading should be considered as the best way to get a stud TE, outside of finding one off waivers.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:32 pm

McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:21 pm
gogobradyarm wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:03 pm
McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
I don’t think spending high end first round picks in TEs in dynasty is fair here, because this is solely the offensive scheme and QB at this point. Pitts in KC obliterates the league.
It’s completely fair because it doesn’t matter why he hasn’t lived up to the value of the pick. All that matters is that he hasn’t and that’s why it was a waste to spend the premium pick on him. I can trade for him now at a substantially less cost than using a top 3 pick in 2021 on him which trading should be considered as the best way to get a stud TE, outside of finding one off waivers.
IDK, I think it's a push, because Pitts put up over 1000 yards as a 21 year old rookie, and gave people the opportunity to cash out for double the value they paid. If they held, they are kind of stuck. I'd still pay a mid first in TEP, but I don't think you're overall assesment of the player/position was wrong.

The underlined alone makes it not a waste, IMO. People had the choice to move on at a profit. If these chose not to, they wasted THAT opportunity, not the pick itself.

If it had been a team with Ryan a few years younger, you'd likely be wrong, because his trajectory was fantastic. Arthur Smith and Ridder are a huge reason Pitts is a middling TE right now.

I say it's a push because I think your point overall is sound, Pitts is 2 plus years in, and not a weekly difference maker, but that rookie year did give people a massive profit opportunity.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby abloom » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:25 am

McCafsteez wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:13 pm When is one allowed to say ‘ I told you so’ about Pitts? My thread here never questioned his talent, just suggested that spending high-end first round picks on TEs in dynasty is a bad move 100% of the time. This thread and Pitts production thus far in his career proves it.

On a side note, I hope he gets out of Atlanta. He clearly isn’t being used right. Sad thing is that he’s probably a few years out still from being productive.
As I said earlier in this thread when asked. Once he has a decent/good QB and he fails. To me only waddle and Smith were being drafted after him, were projected to put up good numbers, and should have been drafted before him in rookie drafts had we known what years two and beyond would look like.
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