The Official Brock Purdy Thread

[Jigga94]

Watched the whole video and it feels like an overreaction. He lost his job to Purdy so we likely won't get much of a test, but that film is not the death knell of his career. He will be afforded opportunities either in SF or otherwise.

Perspective: game 1 of the preseason after coming off a knee injury week 1 of the regular season and redshirting the season before. He hasn't seen game action in how many years?

He's 3 years in, and it looks like he can't read simple concepts. I am no so sure he'll be afforded starter reps. He'll have to earn it elsewhere, IMO. He's in year 3, so nobody is going to likely move much of anything for a 1 year trial (his contract will be up after year 4, because nobody in their right minds would pick up his 5th year option).

A lot of the criticism of going for check downs could be that is what he was gameplanned to do. The criticisms were valid, but one of the major plays JT was critical of (where he went for I think an out route on a cover 2), the tight end moves off his route instead of planting. Doesn't help that the pass pro was below garbage and he was out of rhythm as a result. Impossible to succeed without reps to make these mistakes and get timing right. I think this could very well be rust from 3 years off basically/not trusting 3rd string receivers. We will see how he does the rest of the preseason. I'm open to being wrong.

I agree that his pass blocking wasn't the best and some other players made questionable routes at times. But there's at least 3 times where Lance is staring down an open receiver and doesn't throw the ball. It doesn't matter if that's Aiyuk or Michael Strachan, you have to throw to wide open guys.

I don't buy that the 49ers gameplanned Lance to check the ball down in preseason either... this guy needs reps and he's playing very slow and missing wide open guys right now. Maybe it gets better but he was not good in this game

[FantasyFreak]

He's 3 years in, and it looks like he can't read simple concepts. I am no so sure he'll be afforded starter reps. He'll have to earn it elsewhere, IMO. He's in year 3, so nobody is going to likely move much of anything for a 1 year trial (his contract will be up after year 4, because nobody in their right minds would pick up his 5th year option).

A lot of the criticism of going for check downs could be that is what he was gameplanned to do. The criticisms were valid, but one of the major plays JT was critical of (where he went for I think an out route on a cover 2), the tight end moves off his route instead of planting. Doesn't help that the pass pro was below garbage and he was out of rhythm as a result. Impossible to succeed without reps to make these mistakes and get timing right. I think this could very well be rust from 3 years off basically/not trusting 3rd string receivers. We will see how he does the rest of the preseason. I'm open to being wrong.

I agree that his pass blocking wasn't the best and some other players made questionable routes at times. But there's at least 3 times where Lance is staring down an open receiver and doesn't throw the ball. It doesn't matter if that's Aiyuk or Michael Strachan, you have to throw to wide open guys.

I don't buy that the 49ers gameplanned Lance to check the ball down in preseason either... this guy needs reps and he's playing very slow and missing wide open guys right now. Maybe it gets better but he was not good in this game

You don't game plan check downs. They are check downs for a reason. You're primary read is ALWAYS the game plan, that's why it's your primary read. If it's not there, you go through your progression, until your check down. Lance chose to not pull the trigger on open throws on his primary reads and checked down.

[Jigga94]

A lot of the criticism of going for check downs could be that is what he was gameplanned to do. The criticisms were valid, but one of the major plays JT was critical of (where he went for I think an out route on a cover 2), the tight end moves off his route instead of planting. Doesn't help that the pass pro was below garbage and he was out of rhythm as a result. Impossible to succeed without reps to make these mistakes and get timing right. I think this could very well be rust from 3 years off basically/not trusting 3rd string receivers. We will see how he does the rest of the preseason. I'm open to being wrong.

I agree that his pass blocking wasn't the best and some other players made questionable routes at times. But there's at least 3 times where Lance is staring down an open receiver and doesn't throw the ball. It doesn't matter if that's Aiyuk or Michael Strachan, you have to throw to wide open guys.

I don't buy that the 49ers gameplanned Lance to check the ball down in preseason either... this guy needs reps and he's playing very slow and missing wide open guys right now. Maybe it gets better but he was not good in this game

You don't game plan check downs. They are check downs for a reason. You're primary read is ALWAYS the game plan, that's why it's your primary read. If it's not there, you go through your progression, until your check down. Lance chose to not pull the trigger on open throws on his primary reads and checked down.

Exactly

[jman3134]

Maybe I used the wrong terminology. I meant that maybe the coaching staff is telling him to heir on the side of caution and go to the 2nd read (check down) quicker and he was in his own head. Looked like he was out of rhythm most of the night with the pocket pressure.

Definitely agree with you and JT that he turned down some easy looks.

[FantasyFreak]

This is insane. I didn't realize Lance only threw 99 passes in HS. This is new news to me. At this point, the idea he just needs more reps is likely way too late. He needed that for years, and didn't get it, with the COVID year, not playing enough in college, barely throwing in HS.

Including, NFL pre-season. Lance has thrown 591 passes in game action since 2016. That's just insane. I really don't think you can make up for that lack of experience at this stage of the game and become a franchise NFL QB, or even a long term starter.

https://twitter.com/WTFstats/status/1691863222901739568

[jman3134]

Like I said, he has taken like 3 years off from football. That's why I would at least give it a couple more preseason games to let him shake off the rust.

[FantasyFreak]

Like I said, he has taken like 3 years off from football. That's why I would at least give it a couple more preseason games to let him shake off the rust.

In college and HS combined the threw about 400 passes, in 5 years. There really hasn't been any point where he's had enough game time.

I guess what I am trying to say is this. He's not still trying to learn how to play QB in the NFL. He's still trying to learn how to play QB.........IN the NFL. I just can't see how that's going to work.

They will no doubt give him some pre-season time, but I don't think he's going to be able to become a franchise/long term starter, regardless of that.

[Jigga94]

Like I said, he has taken like 3 years off from football. That's why I would at least give it a couple more preseason games to let him shake off the rust.

In college and HS combined the threw about 400 passes, in 5 years. There really hasn't been any point where he's had enough game time.

I guess what I am trying to say is. He's not still trying to learn how to play QB in the NFL. He's still trying to learn how to play QB.........IN the NFL. I just can't see how that's going to work.

I remember seeing a study with games started in college correlating a little with NFL success. Basically the QB needed to play in a minimum amount of games and success rate went up. Idk if it's been updated or holds a ton of weight but Lance would be well below that line.

I fooled myself into drafting the black box prospect but I'm glad I got out early

[Cameron Giles]

I remember seeing a study with games started in college correlating a little with NFL success. Basically the QB needed to play in a minimum amount of games and success rate went up. Idk if it's been updated or holds a ton of weight but Lance would be well below that line.

I fooled myself into drafting the black box prospect but I'm glad I got out early

This is one of the reasons why every now and then you see a QB outside the 1st round become a successful, long-term starter

Derek Carr (three-year starter at Fresno)
Russell Wilson (four-year starter at NCSU and Wisconsin) - ACC/Big 10
Kirk Cousins (three-year starter at Michigan State) - Big 10
Dak Prescott (three-year starter at Ole Miss) - SEC
Jalen Hurts (three-year starter at Alabama and Oklahoma) - SEC/Big 12
Brock Purdy (four-year starter at Iowa State) - Big 12

Having the experience gets you in the door, especially if you've done it in a major conference.

Lance is trying to be a QB who overcomes inexperience and does so coming from playing against weak competition in college. It's very, very improbable.

[RoyalPalmer]

This probably isn't the best spot to put this question but I'm very curious.

Would you rather own Zach Wilson or Try Lance right now?
Wilson is obviously not going to be a starter this year unless ARod has an injury. Lance has a chance to be traded to a QB needy team if SF feels confident in Purdy + Darnold.

But let's face it both QBs paths to becoming a starter is murky.

So would you rather rely on Lance getting traded to a team who develops him and gives him reps (Minnesota is brought up, maybe Seattle) or would you rather have Wilson who is learning from an all time great and could take over a well built team in another season or two.

Whose is riskier now?

[81-]

This probably isn't the best spot to put this question but I'm very curious.

Would you rather own Zach Wilson or Try Lance right now?
Wilson is obviously not going to be a starter this year unless ARod has an injury. Lance has a chance to be traded to a QB needy team if SF feels confident in Purdy + Darnold.

But let's face it both QBs paths to becoming a starter is murky.

So would you rather rely on Lance getting traded to a team who develops him and gives him reps (Minnesota is brought up, maybe Seattle) or would you rather have Wilson who is learning from an all time great and could take over a well built team in another season or two.

Whose is riskier now?

If I had to pick, I'd take Wilson. Learning from Rodgers will be good for him.

[YouMightDieTryin]

This probably isn't the best spot to put this question but I'm very curious.

Would you rather own Zach Wilson or Try Lance right now?
Wilson is obviously not going to be a starter this year unless ARod has an injury. Lance has a chance to be traded to a QB needy team if SF feels confident in Purdy + Darnold.

But let's face it both QBs paths to becoming a starter is murky.

So would you rather rely on Lance getting traded to a team who develops him and gives him reps (Minnesota is brought up, maybe Seattle) or would you rather have Wilson who is learning from an all time great and could take over a well built team in another season or two.

Whose is riskier now?

If I had to pick, I'd take Wilson. Learning from Rodgers will be good for him.

I want to agree, but that's a tough choice.

From what we saw Wilson was terrible. Maturity wise he seems like another Johnny M with a smug attitude.
Lance seems like a guy that want to prove himself and is pushing himself to get better, but just can't.

Give me the guy that wants to be better.

[moishetreats]

Like I said, he has taken like 3 years off from football. That's why I would at least give it a couple more preseason games to let him shake off the rust.

He hasn't played enough in his career to have gotten rusty in the first place.

Would you rather own Zach Wilson or Try Lance right now?

Wilson for two reasons:

1) As 81- noted above, learning from Rodgers can only be a positive (they've both talked about that already).
2) Almost by default given this thread, if it's dart throw Lance or ____, it almost simply has to be _____. In this case, that happens to be Zach Wilson.

[RoyalPalmer]

This probably isn't the best spot to put this question but I'm very curious.

Would you rather own Zach Wilson or Try Lance right now?
Wilson is obviously not going to be a starter this year unless ARod has an injury. Lance has a chance to be traded to a QB needy team if SF feels confident in Purdy + Darnold.

But let's face it both QBs paths to becoming a starter is murky.

So would you rather rely on Lance getting traded to a team who develops him and gives him reps (Minnesota is brought up, maybe Seattle) or would you rather have Wilson who is learning from an all time great and could take over a well built team in another season or two.

Whose is riskier now?

If I had to pick, I'd take Wilson. Learning from Rodgers will be good for him.

I want to agree, but that's a tough choice.

From what we saw Wilson was terrible. Maturity wise he seems like another Johnny M with a smug attitude.
Lance seems like a guy that want to prove himself and is pushing himself to get better, but just can't.

Give me the guy that wants to be better.

I obviously have some bias here because I bought Z Wilson after G Wilson was drafted as part of my rebuild. But watching Hard Knocks (I know) makes me feel that Zach has been pretty humbled from last season and the acquisition of Rodgers. He seems to be treating the preseason more like his regular season and that those wins will be very important from him. All comments from the coaching staff and other players from around the league seem like they are rooting for the kid and want to see him have another chance.

Still a hard pick for me since both are probably more likely to be backups than starters. Both have tremendous upside and bottomless floors.

[Jigga94]

Give me Wilson also but I feel gross even saying that lol