Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

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Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby kmbryant09 » Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:34 pm

Roster cutdown is approaching in a few weeks and I have a really deep team and a lot of bench stashes I don't want to have to cut.

Exploring the trade market of 2-for-1's and trading away players for future picks, and Brian Robinson has come up a few times.

I got offered a '25 2nd (from a pretty average team), is that enough? A trade like this also means I can roster someone like Sean Tucker, Darnell Mooney, Cedric Tillman into the season rather than having to cut them.

How sure are we that Robinson is a JAG and unlikely to offer significant production or value moving forward?

Thoughts?
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10-team/.5 PPR Q RR WWW TE FF
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Coleman, AD Mitchell
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram

12-team PPR/SF/TEP (+1PPR) Q RR WW TE FFF SF
QB - J. Hurts / D. Prescott / J. Love / B. Nix
RB - J. Taylor / K. Walker / J. Mixon / J. Brooks / D. Singletary / J. McLaughlin
WR - B. Aiyuk / K. Allen / S. Diggs / R. Odunze / X. Worthy / T. Franklin / J. Palmer / G. Davis / R. Doubs
TE - M. Andrews / D. Kincaid

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby Gator Sens » Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:36 pm

Robinson Jr. is a gamble but I would rather hold Robinson Jr. over the pick in case he hits and drop any of the others listed before trading Robinson Jr. for a 2nd to open up a roster spot.

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby kmbryant09 » Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:51 pm

Countered with a '24 3rd & '25 2nd. Thoughts?
10-team/.5 PPR Q RR WWW TE FF
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Coleman, AD Mitchell
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram

12-team PPR/SF/TEP (+1PPR) Q RR WW TE FFF SF
QB - J. Hurts / D. Prescott / J. Love / B. Nix
RB - J. Taylor / K. Walker / J. Mixon / J. Brooks / D. Singletary / J. McLaughlin
WR - B. Aiyuk / K. Allen / S. Diggs / R. Odunze / X. Worthy / T. Franklin / J. Palmer / G. Davis / R. Doubs
TE - M. Andrews / D. Kincaid

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby Pantherbro13 » Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:21 pm

kmbryant09 wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:51 pm Countered with a '24 3rd & '25 2nd. Thoughts?
I wouldn’t trade Robinson for a 2nd and 3rd. I would keep him over Tucker and Tillman for sure. He’s going to get a lot of carries this year, Rivera is always run heavy.

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby tsarpepe » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:56 am

Easy hold over a pick 2 years away.

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby Anteaters » Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:31 am

In 100 of 100 cases, I would cut Mooney/Tillman/Tucker before even thinking about cutting Robinson. Especially in a 10tm start 9.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
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14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby dvpkwys » Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:54 am

kmbryant09 wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:34 pm Roster cutdown is approaching in a few weeks and I have a really deep team and a lot of bench stashes I don't want to have to cut.

Exploring the trade market of 2-for-1's and trading away players for future picks, and Brian Robinson has come up a few times.

I got offered a '25 2nd (from a pretty average team), is that enough? A trade like this also means I can roster someone like Sean Tucker, Darnell Mooney, Cedric Tillman into the season rather than having to cut them.

How sure are we that Robinson is a JAG and unlikely to offer significant production or value moving forward?

Thoughts?
Not a fan of BRob, loved his story but he looks so average. I think Gibson will be more effective. I moved BRob for a 2nd rounder last season, happy to get rid of him on a high note.
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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:20 am

For the record, I was never going to be cutting Brian Robinson. But trading him for a future pick would open up a roster spot that would allow me to keep someone like Sean Tucker, Darnell Mooney, Chig Okwonko, etc. when we have to trim our rosters in a few weeks.

Ended up dealing Robinson for a '24 3rd and '25 2nd.
10-team/.5 PPR Q RR WWW TE FF
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Coleman, AD Mitchell
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram

12-team PPR/SF/TEP (+1PPR) Q RR WW TE FFF SF
QB - J. Hurts / D. Prescott / J. Love / B. Nix
RB - J. Taylor / K. Walker / J. Mixon / J. Brooks / D. Singletary / J. McLaughlin
WR - B. Aiyuk / K. Allen / S. Diggs / R. Odunze / X. Worthy / T. Franklin / J. Palmer / G. Davis / R. Doubs
TE - M. Andrews / D. Kincaid

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby murphysxm » Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:31 am

I think you sold low to hold guys that probably will never see your starting lineup.
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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:38 am

fine deal to me. you werent getting a first for brob in a 10 team
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

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14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby Anteaters » Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:41 am

kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:20 am For the record, I was never going to be cutting Brian Robinson. But trading him for a future pick would open up a roster spot that would allow me to keep someone like Sean Tucker, Darnell Mooney, Chig Okwonko, etc. when we have to trim our rosters in a few weeks.

Ended up dealing Robinson for a '24 3rd and '25 2nd.
I get it about the cut/trade aspect.

I'm just thinking about it from the aspect of who's likely to start for a contender in that specific league. BR is the starting RB on an NFL team that plans on using him a lot, he's young, he's healthy, and he just got a new very good OC. Mooney is JAG at WR, whose team just signed a much better WR. Chig doesn't matter in non TEP, and Tucker is a dart throw. BR was the one who might have stepped up to help your team in its 2023 run.

Instead, you now have two extra draft picks to get two more dart throws who will give you extra people to wonder about which bottom feeders to cut in 2024 and 2025. I'd rather move up the usability chart than dig around for more dart throws.

Not a terrible move and not likely to ruin this season, but not the choice I think will have a chance at helping you in the short term or long term.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver, Waller
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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby Pantherbro13 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:50 am

Anteaters wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:41 am
kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:20 am For the record, I was never going to be cutting Brian Robinson. But trading him for a future pick would open up a roster spot that would allow me to keep someone like Sean Tucker, Darnell Mooney, Chig Okwonko, etc. when we have to trim our rosters in a few weeks.

Ended up dealing Robinson for a '24 3rd and '25 2nd.
I get it about the cut/trade aspect.

I'm just thinking about it from the aspect of who's likely to start for a contender in that specific league. BR is the starting RB on an NFL team that plans on using him a lot, he's young, he's healthy, and he just got a new very good OC. Mooney is JAG at WR, whose team just signed a much better WR. Chig doesn't matter in non TEP, and Tucker is a dart throw. BR was the one who might have stepped up to help your team in its 2023 run.

Instead, you now have two extra draft picks to get two more dart throws who will give you extra people to wonder about which bottom feeders to cut in 2024 and 2025. I'd rather move up the usability chart than dig around for more dart throws.

Not a terrible move and not likely to ruin this season, but not the choice I think will have a chance at helping you in the short term or long term.
Agreed^. Especially with Gibson in his last year of contract. Robinson is a Gibson injury away from his value skyrocketing. 2nd year of his rookie deal starting for one of the run heaviest coaches in the league and a young QB that would benefit greatly from a strong running game.

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:51 am

Appreciate all the input.

Can't help but think Robinson is the JAG, not someone like Mooney or Chig who have flashed difference-making ability. Robinson doesn't catch passes and is a 2-down thumper on a team projected to be trailing often and not score a lot of points. He put up 11ppg on 18 touches per game down the stretch last season, which feels like his ceiling.

Was torn, but as someone else pointed out I was never getting a 1st for him. This opens up a roster spot, gives me time to consolidate assets moving forward, and adds to my future draft pick arsenal.
10-team/.5 PPR Q RR WWW TE FF
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Coleman, AD Mitchell
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram

12-team PPR/SF/TEP (+1PPR) Q RR WW TE FFF SF
QB - J. Hurts / D. Prescott / J. Love / B. Nix
RB - J. Taylor / K. Walker / J. Mixon / J. Brooks / D. Singletary / J. McLaughlin
WR - B. Aiyuk / K. Allen / S. Diggs / R. Odunze / X. Worthy / T. Franklin / J. Palmer / G. Davis / R. Doubs
TE - M. Andrews / D. Kincaid

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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby murphysxm » Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:18 am

kmbryant09 wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:51 am Appreciate all the input.

Can't help but think Robinson is the JAG, not someone like Mooney or Chig who have flashed difference-making ability. Robinson doesn't catch passes and is a 2-down thumper on a team projected to be trailing often and not score a lot of points. He put up 11ppg on 18 touches per game down the stretch last season, which feels like his ceiling.

Was torn, but as someone else pointed out I was never getting a 1st for him. This opens up a roster spot, gives me time to consolidate assets moving forward, and adds to my future draft pick arsenal.
I agree it adds to your future draft pick arsenal, but you would love to land a Brian Robinson type player with those picks, so don't agree with the logic of trading away a talent you hope to get back. I'd prefer to keep the player I know has a path to touches. He may end up being JAG, but I have never been shot in the leg and played RB in the NFL in the same year. That is impressive from a pure physicality perspective. Your team though.
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Re: Brian Robinson value in pick(s)?

Postby Stone2987 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:30 am

I would’ve kept him, he was playing last year while recovering from being shot in the leg, I would imagine with a healthy off-season he’ll look better.
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RB- CMC, Taylor, Achane, Zeke, Pierce, Mostert, Chandler, Ford
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