2023 Off-Season Trades

[j4pac]

I’m a Jeudy fan and am actually good at grading WRs. People forget how he was the consensus over both Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson. He’s a really talented WR. And if you’ve watched him play in the NFL you’ve seen a lot of glimpses of him being that type of player. But he’s had some injuries, a little inconsistency, and poor QB play. Jefferson is clearly a very special player, but I still can’t see why Jeudy can’t become a player like Lamb. I’m really hopeful that Payton gives him that nudge. It seems like his current price is based on the player he was last season without considering his upside.

[frerichs5]

I’m a Jeudy fan and am actually good at grading WRs. People forget how he was the consensus over both Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson. He’s a really talented WR. And if you’ve watched him play in the NFL you’ve seen a lot of glimpses of him being that type of player. But he’s had some injuries, a little inconsistency, and poor QB play. Jefferson is clearly a very special player, but I still can’t see why Jeudy can’t become a player like Lamb. I’m really hopeful that Payton gives him that nudge. It seems like his current price is based on the player he was last season without considering his upside.

I liked Jeudy coming out too. But how many 4th year breakouts are there? I’d argue he’s a sell if you’re still getting a 1st for him. If this year he puts up similar numbers again, he will likely never see that value again.

[moishetreats]

Team 1 in sig.

GAVE
2024 3rd (projected late)
2024 4th (projected early)

GOT
Tyler Allgeier

[j4pac]

I’m a Jeudy fan and am actually good at grading WRs. People forget how he was the consensus over both Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson. He’s a really talented WR. And if you’ve watched him play in the NFL you’ve seen a lot of glimpses of him being that type of player. But he’s had some injuries, a little inconsistency, and poor QB play. Jefferson is clearly a very special player, but I still can’t see why Jeudy can’t become a player like Lamb. I’m really hopeful that Payton gives him that nudge. It seems like his current price is based on the player he was last season without considering his upside.

I liked Jeudy coming out too. But how many 4th year breakouts are there? I’d argue he’s a sell if you’re still getting a 1st for him. If this year he puts up similar numbers again, he will likely never see that value again.

I think that’s a fair argument. I’m betting on him doing better. I think the term “breakout” is pretty arbitrary. He was pretty good last season in spite of the worst passing situation in the league. Over the second half of the season when the passing game was putrid but not quite dog crap…he looked good. Add Payton, and sure…I’ll buy.

I’m not selling right now…but if you’re not a believer, then by all means trade away.

[NWABCS]

During slow email draft

Gave: 3.05 & 2024 2nd (late)
Got: 2.10 & 2024 4th (early)

Drafted Rashee Rice with 2.10

2nd rd WR from April.. with Patrick Mahomes.. weeeeeeee

[Pullo Vision]

Totally get the trade back from 2.7 to try to get your guy. It took a small move later to get him.

Big fan of getting your target while also pocketing the extra 3rd! Definitely curious who you were targeting...

Curious your thoughts on Gainwell. Is it mostly situation based (most have him behind Swift and Penny), or is there something about his skillset? Is he a short term play to you, or do you see long term potential if he gets a QB who will throw to him?

I was targeting Musgrave. It's a start 2TE league with a 1.75PPR for TEs (start 2QBs, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1SF, 5 Flex; 1PPR for RBs and WRs). And a best ball league. So TEs could be huge in this league. This was a 5-team dispersal draft (of 32). As it were, a TON of Packers were available in the dispersal. And, obviously, I'm a huge Packers fan. So it made sense to stock up GB players in the dispersal and to follow it up in particular with Musgrave.

As for Gainwell, there are two things. First, I do like his skill set. I'm not convinced he's ever going to carry the ball 220+ times in a season, but I think he can play. Even if both Swift and Penny stay healthy, I could see 2-4 spike weeks per season (and this again is where it being best ball is critical). I could also see one -- or both!! -- of Swift and Penny missing a lot of games. That makes Gainwell a very cheap buy for a potentially huge payoff and a probable okay payoff. IMO, both the best-case and the okay case are more likely with Gainwell than with Fournette.

You had me at "it's a 2 TE league" lol. I've never played best ball, but I'd expect it favors TD makers (and obviously big play guys), so TEs could certainly see additional value. I'm not trained to address your Green Bay affliction, however.

Your mention of Gainwell here had me looking into him again. Was curious if you'd make the "Memphis RB" argument, bUt I just don't see a Pollard/Gibson type big play ability. If his strength is as a receiving back, I've been dismissing him as a short term option until FA gives him a chance to get away from Hurts. But he technically did get 50 targets as a rookie in 2021, before AJB. Best ball has to make depth guys like him much more appealing.

I love the Philips get to fall a few spots in the 3rd.

[moishetreats]

You had me at "it's a 2 TE league" lol. I've never played best ball, but I'd expect it favors TD makers (and obviously big play guys), so TEs could certainly see additional value. I'm not trained to address your Green Bay affliction, however.

Your mention of Gainwell here had me looking into him again. Was curious if you'd make the "Memphis RB" argument, bUt I just don't see a Pollard/Gibson type big play ability. If his strength is as a receiving back, I've been dismissing him as a short term option until FA gives him a chance to get away from Hurts. But he technically did get 50 targets as a rookie in 2021, before AJB. Best ball has to make depth guys like him much more appealing.

I love the Philips get to fall a few spots in the 3rd.

Nothing anyone can do about the Packers affliction .

As for Gainwell, I've liked what little I've seen about it. And it has been verrrrry little. I agree that he's not in an offense that will play to his receiving strengths, and his situation as the third RB on a team that doesn't often throw to that position and where the QB rushes in a lot is subobtimal.

My interest in him is the long-shot. I don't see any universe where both Swift and Penny are healthy all season. Realistically, there's a good chance that Gainwell is the RB2 many weeks of the season. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a decent stretch of games where both Swift and Penny are injured at the same time and Gainwell jumps up to RB1. Since pick swap didn't matter in terms of getting my player (obviously, it mattered in terms of the opportunity cost to make a different trade), I essentially traded Fournette for Gainwell.

I don't see any big LF jump coming. Possible, of course, but I'm not bullish. I see a greater likelihood that the aforementioned scenario in Philly plays out.

Obviously, this could really be a huge mistake. LF could sign somewhere in October after a lead RB's injury and be a top-12 RB the rest of the way and Gainwell could never be more than change-of-pace RB at best. But this was a gamble I wanted to take given (a) best ball league, (b) 34-player rosters, and (c) me in a long build as a new owner.

Worth the risk of missing out on a possible LF value spike to me, at least.

And thanks for the Phillips support!

[NY CAT]

Gave: Saquon Barkley
Received: Jalen Waddle and Dameon Pierce

[olmansmith]

Day 1 of our rookie draft for my 2 dynasty leagues (only 1 trade involved me). We're about 8 picks into each draft:

12p SF, Qb, 3wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te:
1.
Team A: Sends Daniel Jones
Team B (me): Sends 1.10, 2024 3rd (likely late)
2.
Team C: Sends Kirk, Mike White, 1.05
Team D: Sends Pollard, Devonta Smith
3.
Team D: Sends Pollard
Team A: Sends 2024 2nd (likely early), 2025 1st (likely mid)

12p 1qb, 2wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te
1.
Team A: Sends 1.05, 2.05
Team B: Sends JT
2.
Team C: Sends 1.06
Team D: Sends 1.08, 2.08

[Jigga94]

Day 1 of our rookie draft for my 2 dynasty leagues (only 1 trade involved me). We're about 8 picks into each draft:

12p SF, Qb, 3wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te:
1.
Team A: Sends Daniel Jones
Team B (me): Sends 1.10, 2024 3rd (likely late)
2.
Team C: Sends Kirk, Mike White, 1.05
Team D: Sends Pollard, Devonta Smith
3.
Team D: Sends Pollard
Team A: Sends 2024 2nd (likely early), 2025 1st (likely mid)

12p 1qb, 2wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te
1.
Team A: Sends 1.05, 2.05
Team B: Sends JT
2.
Team C: Sends 1.06
Team D: Sends 1.08, 2.08

Cheap price for Jones good job. JT for the 1.05 and 2.05 in 1QB is insanely cheap too

[moishetreats]

Next two:

GAVE
2.07

GOT
2.19 + 3.19

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GAVE
2.19 + 3.19

GOT
2.17 + 3.28

And two more!

GAVE
2024 4th-round pick

GOT
Donald Parham

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GAVE
3.09

GOT
3.22 + Jarrett Stidham

Next

GAVE
3.22

GOT
3.30 + Kyle Philips

SHOULD be my final post since I am now officially out of picks in this draft and we are half way through the fourth and final round of the draft.

GAVE
3.28

GOT
4.15
Ruckert


GAVE
4.15
4.18

GOT
3rd in 2024

[Pullo Vision]

You had me at "it's a 2 TE league" lol. I've never played best ball, but I'd expect it favors TD makers (and obviously big play guys), so TEs could certainly see additional value. I'm not trained to address your Green Bay affliction, however.

Your mention of Gainwell here had me looking into him again. Was curious if you'd make the "Memphis RB" argument, bUt I just don't see a Pollard/Gibson type big play ability. If his strength is as a receiving back, I've been dismissing him as a short term option until FA gives him a chance to get away from Hurts. But he technically did get 50 targets as a rookie in 2021, before AJB. Best ball has to make depth guys like him much more appealing.

I love the Philips get to fall a few spots in the 3rd.

Nothing anyone can do about the Packers affliction .

As for Gainwell, I've liked what little I've seen about it. And it has been verrrrry little. I agree that he's not in an offense that will play to his receiving strengths, and his situation as the third RB on a team that doesn't often throw to that position and where the QB rushes in a lot is subobtimal.

My interest in him is the long-shot. I don't see any universe where both Swift and Penny are healthy all season. Realistically, there's a good chance that Gainwell is the RB2 many weeks of the season. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a decent stretch of games where both Swift and Penny are injured at the same time and Gainwell jumps up to RB1. Since pick swap didn't matter in terms of getting my player (obviously, it mattered in terms of the opportunity cost to make a different trade), I essentially traded Fournette for Gainwell.

I don't see any big LF jump coming. Possible, of course, but I'm not bullish. I see a greater likelihood that the aforementioned scenario in Philly plays out.

Obviously, this could really be a huge mistake. LF could sign somewhere in October after a lead RB's injury and be a top-12 RB the rest of the way and Gainwell could never be more than change-of-pace RB at best. But this was a gamble I wanted to take given (a) best ball league, (b) 34-player rosters, and (c) me in a long build as a new owner.

Worth the risk of missing out on a possible LF value spike to me, at least.

And thanks for the Phillips support!

Sitting behind two injury riddled guys, in Best Ball, definitely see logic in the Gainwell get. If he squeaks in a handful of startable performances, would be interesting if you choose to sell him, over stashing him for a FA boost after the 2024 season.

On Fournette- I got involved in a bidding war for him a month or so ago. Got out bid when someone offered a 2nd and low level gamble/clogger for him. My thoughts on him are colored by such an RB hungry league. Can only imagine what his value will be in leagues with less insane RB values when he signs. I don't think he'll necessarily be an awesome player, but compiling at a decent rate in the right situation (LAR, DAL, LAC, NYJ) could give him a good sell high value. Both Gainwell and Fournette need the stars to align to be startable, but I just see an easier path for 4net to be flippable.

And that will be my last pitch on LF's dynasty value.

[Lumps]

Very spicy deal just went down in my 14 team, 2QB, PPR, start 10 - so 2 non QB flex spots (2 RB and 3 WR, TE mandatory):

Fields, JJ
For
Burrow, Jamo

Fields owner tried to move off him for a bit but couldn’t get a deal done until now.

[BabyChark23]

Very spicy deal just went down in my 14 team, 2QB, PPR, start 10 - so 2 non QB flex spots (2 RB and 3 WR, TE mandatory):

Fields, JJ
For
Burrow, Jamo

Fields owner tried to move off him for a bit but couldn’t get a deal done until now.

I’m not a Fields guy, but JJ throws this way over the top.

[olmansmith]

Day 1 of our rookie draft for my 2 dynasty leagues (only 1 trade involved me). We're about 8 picks into each draft:

League 1: 12p SF, Qb, 3wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te:
1.
Team A: Sends Daniel Jones
Team B (me): Sends 1.10, 2024 3rd (likely late)
2.
Team C: Sends Kirk, Mike White, 1.05
Team D: Sends Pollard, Devonta Smith
3.
Team D: Sends Pollard
Team A: Sends 2024 2nd (likely early), 2025 1st (likely mid)

League 2: 12p 1qb, 2wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te
1.
Team A: Sends 1.05, 2.05
Team B: Sends JT
2.
Team C: Sends 1.06
Team D: Sends 1.08, 2.08

Trades on the remaining days. League 1 draft is over, League 2 draft has the last few picks of the 4th round left so basically over:

League 1: 12p SF, Qb, 3wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te:
4.
Team C: Sends OBJ + Allgeier
Team E: Sends DMo
5.
Team F: Love, Metcalf, Stroud, Jeff Wilson
Team G: TLaw, Howell, Thornton

League 2: 12p 1qb, 2wr, 2rb, 2flex, 1te
3.
Team E (me): Sends 1.10, 3.10
Team F: Sends 2024 1st (likely early to mid)
4.
Team F: Sends 1.12
Team G: Sends BRob, 2.12
5.
Team B: Sends Terry, 4.01, 2024 3rd (likely mid)
Team D: Sends Evans, 2.10, 2.10
6.
Team F: Sends 2.12
Team H: Sends DHop
7.
Team E (me): Sends 3.08, 4.10, 2024 3rd (likely late)
Team I: Sends Russel Wilson