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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby mild » Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:59 pm

jordanzs wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:03 pm I took LaPorta over him at 2.1 in a recent draft. But I thought about grabbing Achane there.
Damn... that is some premium LaPorta you just bought.

Here I am hoping he falls down to me in the late 2nd... :crazy:

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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby kmbryant09 » Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:28 am

I definitely do not have Achane > Gibbs in my personal evaluation, but I do think the gap is smaller than most people have it - essentially the difference between the 1.02/1.03 and the 1.10 - 2.02.

Everyone seems to have size concerns about Achane (5'8" / 188), but not as many concerns about Gibbs' size (5'9" / 199). Achane's BMI at the combine measurements would be at 28.6. Gibbs at those numbers is 29.4. If you believe the reports that Achane is already up to 192lbs, that puts his BMI at 29.2 - essentially the same body type and very similar players. I believe Gibbs is a better receiver, but I'm not sure what else he does better than Achane (who's no slouch in the passing game).

I think both players landed in very good spots with plenty of opportunity to be used correctly: 10-14 carries and 3-6 targets per game with a coaching emphasis to get the players the ball in space.

I have Gibbs as my dynasty RB ~4-7 and Achane as my ~15-18, although I'm admittedly skewed towards youth, for what it's worth.
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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Jason3123 » Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:06 pm

I like Achane but Gibbs is a much higher tier IMO. He just looks different than Achane. I do think a lot of people are too concerned about his number of carries and not focusing on the amount of catches he could have. He lined up as a WR at Texas A&M more than any other RB last year, and had a nearly 20% target share. He could catch a lot of balls in Miami as a safety blanket for Tua to unload the ball ASAP before he gets another concussion.

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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Jrblaha » Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:45 am

Anyone worried about all the Cook to Miami rumors? Idk why theyd trade for Cook if they’re super high on Achane
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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:10 am

Jrblaha wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:45 am Anyone worried about all the Cook to Miami rumors? Idk why theyd trade for Cook if they’re super high on Achane
Cook is a hometown kid and probably wants to go back really bad. Also, he's still a very good RB. I think it's more about Miami just loading up on offense, though in real football it's not a needle mover.

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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Jason3123 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:26 am

I don’t really think Achane will be the primary RB in Y1 regardless of Cook or not so I don’t think it’s a big deal. It would probably be beneficial to him as a rookie.

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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:32 am

Jason3123 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:26 am I don’t really think Achane will be the primary RB in Y1 regardless of Cook or not so I don’t think it’s a big deal. It would probably be beneficial to him as a rookie.
This makes little sense to me. How would decreasing his snap share and touch count significantly, help him? This seems like creating a positive narrative to fit negative a situation.

Dolphins have an offer out to Dalvin, supposedly. That's not good for Achane, if he takes it, no other way to slice it. The current Dolphins backfield is a better situation than adding Dalvin Cook to it, for Achane's FF outlook.
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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby abloom » Thu Jun 29, 2023 4:13 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:32 am
Jason3123 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:26 am I don’t really think Achane will be the primary RB in Y1 regardless of Cook or not so I don’t think it’s a big deal. It would probably be beneficial to him as a rookie.
This makes little sense to me. How would decreasing his snap share and touch count significantly, help him? This seems like creating a positive narrative to fit negative a situation.

Dolphins have an offer out to Dalvin, supposedly. That's not good for Achane, if he takes it, no other way to slice it. The current Dolphins backfield is a better situation than adding Dalvin Cook to it, for Achane's FF outlook.
You got it all wrong. Fewer touches is critical!! Decrease the touches and it greatly decreases chance of injury which means he plays more games. Then you just rely on a huge fppt (fantasy points per touch), the greatest metric ever. So achane just needs an insane fppt.
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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Bronco Billy » Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:38 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:32 am
Jason3123 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:26 am I don’t really think Achane will be the primary RB in Y1 regardless of Cook or not so I don’t think it’s a big deal. It would probably be beneficial to him as a rookie.
This makes little sense to me. How would decreasing his snap share and touch count significantly, help him? This seems like creating a positive narrative to fit negative a situation.

Dolphins have an offer out to Dalvin, supposedly. That's not good for Achane, if he takes it, no other way to slice it. The current Dolphins backfield is a better situation than adding Dalvin Cook to it, for Achane's FF outlook.
It makes sense when you consider what his physical condition would be midseason if he gets a 15 touch per game workload given his size.

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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Ice » Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:03 am

Fewer touches = bench status.

In other words;
If Cook goes to Miami it is very good for him and very bad for everyone else.

We could ask the disgruntled Mattison owners the last few years for confirmation if needed!
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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby MEuRaH » Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:56 pm

abloom wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 1:23 pm
dlf_mikeh wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 9:18 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 8:51 amAchane: 23.20
That's impressive. He runs really hard for a guy his size.

He played 10 games last year. I worry about his usage over a 17 game season, plus preseason & playoffs. If he's used like Darren Sproles or something, I could buy into that.
I fear he's gonna be used as a 20lb lighter Mostert and it won't end well
That didn't take long. Poor kid. 🙁
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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby abloom » Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:13 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:56 pm
abloom wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 1:23 pm
dlf_mikeh wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 9:18 am
That's impressive. He runs really hard for a guy his size.

He played 10 games last year. I worry about his usage over a 17 game season, plus preseason & playoffs. If he's used like Darren Sproles or something, I could buy into that.
I fear he's gonna be used as a 20lb lighter Mostert and it won't end well
That didn't take long. Poor kid. 🙁
Just trying to keep my prediction of preseason injuries to rbs alive and well.
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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Bronco Billy » Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:37 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:56 pm
abloom wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 1:23 pm
dlf_mikeh wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 9:18 am
That's impressive. He runs really hard for a guy his size.

He played 10 games last year. I worry about his usage over a 17 game season, plus preseason & playoffs. If he's used like Darren Sproles or something, I could buy into that.
I fear he's gonna be used as a 20lb lighter Mostert and it won't end well
That didn't take long. Poor kid. 🙁
Damn. He got body slammed like a rag doll. Physics is just not on his side.

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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:13 pm

Small man go beep beep

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Re: Achane>Gibbs

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:14 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:13 pm Small man go beep beep
I'd still take Gibbs. Both undersized, not high touch backs, but Achane certainly seems to have a team who understands how to use him to get the most efficiency over his lesser role.
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