Where are we at with Drake London? Statistically he’s cooled down a lot… top-12 dynasty WR?

[Patsfan86]

The “lack” of physical skills is the reason I just dont have Olave above Wilson or London right now. Athleticism is typically how you reach that elite ceiling and neither Wilson or London are lacking in athleticism. I know speed is athleticism and London is lacking there but he has every other tool to hit an elite ceiling.

[mild]

Heck.

[nathanq42]

Hoping to buy low off a disappointing season and Bijan coming to ATL

[Ice]

Hoping to buy low off a disappointing season and Bijan coming to ATL

My view hasn't changed much on the player. He doesn't play fast at all. He runs pretty good routes. He should be a little better this season but will probably struggle to get to 85 receptions on that team.

He could be a nice fantasy WR2-3 if he can catch around 5-6 passes a game on average.

[Cameron Giles]

Well, we can put the "he can't separate" narrative to bed.

[FantasyFreak]

Well, we can put the "he can't separate" narrative to bed.

Do these metrics show separation? What defines "success" in this model? Genuinely curious.

24.5 percent of his routes are slants. Is he the new "slant boy"?

[FantasyFreak]

The “lack” of physical skills is the reason I just dont have Olave above Wilson or London right now. Athleticism is typically how you reach that elite ceiling and neither Wilson or London are lacking in athleticism. I know speed is athleticism and London is lacking there but he has every other tool to hit an elite ceiling.

Curious how you are defining this. London didn't do any of the athleticism tests at the combine or his pro day, other than 40, that I can see. Are you just basing this on your eyes?

Olave's efficiency was a lot better than Wilson last year. Curious why you think he can't reach a higher level but Wilson can.

I found the playerprofiler's best comp humorous, when looking up some metrics.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/garrett-wilson/

[MacDaddy123]

I picked up 4 more shares of London this off-season to bring my total exposure to 50%.
I almost went after him in another league, but after Bijan went to the Falcons, and I already had Pitts on that team too, I took JSN with my 1.05 pick instead of trading it for London.
Didn't want to have Bijan/London/Pitts on the same team.

At 50% exposure, I am heavier on London than just about any other player I can think of.

[mild]

Well, we can put the "he can't separate" narrative to bed.

Do these metrics show separation? What defines "success" in this model? Genuinely curious.

https://receptionperception.com/introdu ... -new-home/

https://receptionperception.com/assessi ... roduction/

The Data
Route Percentage – How often a receiver runs each pattern on the route tree.

Success Rate vs. Coverage scores – How often a receiver gets open against the defenders covering him. A success is charted when a receiver “gets open” against the coverage. Creating separation, enough for the quarterback to have a reasonable target, is marked as a success. The only plays that are automatically given as success to the receiver are instances where a receiver is obviously held or interfered with (called or not). These plays make a big difference to an offense, and signify a receiver winning yards for his team by forcing the defensive back to hold him.

There are five formats for Success Rate vs. Coverage scores:

– Success rate against man
– Success rate against zone
– Success rate against press
– Success rate on each type of route run
– Success rate against double coverage

It's up to you whether you want to believe it or not, but this is a guy outright putting in the film work on an every-snap basis.

We could do worse for a WR resource.

[FantasyFreak]

Well, we can put the "he can't separate" narrative to bed.

Do these metrics show separation? What defines "success" in this model? Genuinely curious.

https://receptionperception.com/introdu ... -new-home/

https://receptionperception.com/assessi ... roduction/

The Data
Route Percentage – How often a receiver runs each pattern on the route tree.

Success Rate vs. Coverage scores – How often a receiver gets open against the defenders covering him. A success is charted when a receiver “gets open” against the coverage. Creating separation, enough for the quarterback to have a reasonable target, is marked as a success. The only plays that are automatically given as success to the receiver are instances where a receiver is obviously held or interfered with (called or not). These plays make a big difference to an offense, and signify a receiver winning yards for his team by forcing the defensive back to hold him.

There are five formats for Success Rate vs. Coverage scores:

– Success rate against man
– Success rate against zone
– Success rate against press
– Success rate on each type of route run
– Success rate against double coverage

It's up to you whether you want to believe it or not, but this is a guy outright putting in the film work on an every-snap basis.

We could do worse for a WR resource.

OK, so it's based on Matt Harmon's subjective opinion in part then. Does he do all the charting, or does he hire people to do it now? I know he started off doing it all. If you don't know, that's cool, just thought you might know without having to search.

[mild]

OK, so it's based on Matt Harmon's subjective opinion in part then. Does he do all the charting, or does he hire people to do it now? I know he started off doing it all. If you don't know, that's cool, just thought you might know without having to search.

I was under the impression that he's still doing it all. Happy to be corrected on that.

I would happily see a football study on WR's that isn't subjective to someone's opinion, if you have one!

[FantasyFreak]

OK, so it's based on Matt Harmon's subjective opinion in part then. Does he do all the charting, or does he hire people to do it now? I know he started off doing it all. If you don't know, that's cool, just thought you might know without having to search.

I was under the impression that he's still doing it all. Happy to be corrected on that.

I would happily see a football study on WR's that isn't subjective to someone's opinion, if you have one!

No, I don't mean it as a negative. All these metrics, like yards created etc. are based on film watching, to an extent (part of what I find so humorous about the film vs analytics debate).

I just think it's better if Matt's doing it all, because the metrics would be more accurate if it's just him doing it, because the results would be more consistent than if say 12 different people were charting routes of different players, with one guy doing these ten guys, and someone else doing another ten guys etc.

[mild]

No, I don't mean it as a negative. All these metrics, like yards created etc. are based on film watching, to an extent (part of what I find so humorous about the film vs analytics debate).

I just think it's better if Matt's doing it all, because the metrics would be more accurate if it's just him doing it, because the results would be more consistent than if say 12 different people were charting routes of different players, with one guy doing these ten guys, and someone else doing another ten guys etc.

Right, yeah for sure - I am pretty certain a big part of him doing the website and charging for the data is exactly to do with protecting that consistency, as it has become (one of?) his real life jobs, and it takes up a lot of his time.

I know he gets help with interpreting some of the data and models, ie. the stuff you can read about in that 2nd link I posted.

I believe for charting the players though, it's all him.

[Patsfan86]

Not sure what to do with London. I love how he plays and his traits but as Ice said it’s gonna be hard for him to see the volume. I will be drafting Bijan and im not quite sure how much of this Atlanta offense I actually want. I do want to reiterate I love London as a player and see him as a top 2 talent from a good reciever class. Just this situation is horrible and Arthur Smith is the worst

[ericanadian]

Not sure what to do with London. I love how he plays and his traits but as Ice said it’s gonna be hard for him to see the volume. I will be drafting Bijan and im not quite sure how much of this Atlanta offense I actually want. I do want to reiterate I love London as a player and see him as a top 2 talent from a good reciever class. Just this situation is horrible and Arthur Smith is the worst

In the same boat as an owner of the 1.1, Pitts and Ridder (as a backup in a 16 team league). Pretty hard to get my head around adding another Atlanta player.