Chig Okonkwo

[Bronco Billy]

I really don’t see the tape on Whyle either. If this guy is so athletic why is his best season a whopping 353 receiving yards? He had good QB play with Ridder and they play in a bad conference. I know you enjoy playing the contrarian but you’re really reaching here with this one.

That’s a really poor way to evaluate TEs. Kittle’s best season at Iowa was 314 yds receiving. Some college coaches just do not use TEs effectively as receivers.

[jenkins.math]

I really don’t see the tape on Whyle either. If this guy is so athletic why is his best season a whopping 353 receiving yards? He had good QB play with Ridder and they play in a bad conference. I know you enjoy playing the contrarian but you’re really reaching here with this one.

That’s a really poor way to evaluate TEs. Kittle’s best season at Iowa was 314 yds receiving. Some college coaches just do not use TEs effectively as receivers.

Iowa has had some historically putrid offenses which isn’t even comparable to what Whyle played in at Cincy. Especially the 2 seasons where he had Ridder.

Whyle was put in motion and asked to run a lot of crossing routes/pick plays for his receptions. He did have a couple jump balls in the end zone, but then he stands up next to the defender and it appears he has at least 7 inches on these guys. He won’t have that advantage in the NFL. Nor will get to play Miami of Ohio, Navy, Army, etc. I get how he can look athletic in comparison to those teams.

[Bronco Billy]

I really don’t see the tape on Whyle either. If this guy is so athletic why is his best season a whopping 353 receiving yards? He had good QB play with Ridder and they play in a bad conference. I know you enjoy playing the contrarian but you’re really reaching here with this one.

That’s a really poor way to evaluate TEs. Kittle’s best season at Iowa was 314 yds receiving. Some college coaches just do not use TEs effectively as receivers.

Iowa has had some historically putrid offenses which isn’t even comparable to what Whyle played in at Cincy. Especially the 2 seasons where he had Ridder.

Whyle was put in motion and asked to run a lot of crossing routes/pick plays for his receptions. He did have a couple jump balls in the end zone, but then he stands up next to the defender and it appears he has at least 7 inches on these guys. He won’t have that advantage in the NFL. Nor will get to play Miami of Ohio, Navy, Army, etc. I get how he can look athletic in comparison to those teams.

So you dismissed Kelce too? He played at Cincinnati.

[mild]

So you dismissed Kelce too? He played at Cincinnati.

Straw Man Fallacy.

A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.

Chig Okonkwo could be the next Kelce.

Josh Whyle could be the next Kelce.

You heard it here first, folks.

[Bronco Billy]

So you dismissed Kelce too? He played at Cincinnati.

Straw Man Fallacy.

A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.

Chig Okonkwo could be the next Kelce.

Josh Whyle could be the next Kelce.

You heard it here first, folks.

Is that what either of us said? Looks like that definition fits you pretty well.

[Orenthal Shames]

Chig was one of the veteran winners list draft. Tennessee added no one of consequence to their WR core. It's Burks and Chig. It may not be pretty, be he ought to be heavily involved.

[remedy29]

Well, dismiss Whyle at your own risk. Odd hearing the dismissal because he’s a 5th rounder when Okonkwo was a 4th rounder last year in a much weaker TE class.

Whyle is bigger and a better athlete. He’s a good receiver and a good blocker, albeit with room to improve. He’s got all the earmarks for being a very solid starting TE in the NFL. Okonkwo seems like he has a future as an H back on this team, but he’s going to very likely get competition for TE touches.

Not buying the better athlete argument until I see it on an NFL football field. Chig looked like a young Vernon Davis/Delanie Walker at times last season. I think there is probably a better chance that Whyle doesn’t make the team than passing Chig on the depth chart next season.

When one guy has a RAS of 6.47 and the other guy has a RAS of 8.94, it’s pretty safe to say the guy with the 8.94 is a better athlete. Being a better athlete does not necessarily translate to being a better football player, that remains to be seen. But Whyle’s athletic foundation is there and his tape seems to support his ability as a player. We’ll see when he puts pads on in the bigs, but if you’re going to wait for absolute proof one way or another you’ll be too late if Whyle does indeed pan out.

ETA - and Okonkwo ain’t Vernon Davis. Never will be.

RAS is a Relative Athletic Scoring, key word is Relative. It is relative to their size. Certainly being a bigger TE is helpful to the position, specially for blocking purposes, it does not make them a more athletic player.

Can Titans’ Chig Okonkwo be NFL’s next great tight end?

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/c ... -tight-end

The article mentions that "Okonkwo was the Titans' best offensive weapon last season not named Henry."

It doesn't say he was the best football player on the team, but for all the guys not named Henry, he was the one best at gaining yards from scrimmage.

If his playing time is up significantly this year, he could be in for a big season.

[Bronco Billy]

Not buying the better athlete argument until I see it on an NFL football field. Chig looked like a young Vernon Davis/Delanie Walker at times last season. I think there is probably a better chance that Whyle doesn’t make the team than passing Chig on the depth chart next season.

When one guy has a RAS of 6.47 and the other guy has a RAS of 8.94, it’s pretty safe to say the guy with the 8.94 is a better athlete. Being a better athlete does not necessarily translate to being a better football player, that remains to be seen. But Whyle’s athletic foundation is there and his tape seems to support his ability as a player. We’ll see when he puts pads on in the bigs, but if you’re going to wait for absolute proof one way or another you’ll be too late if Whyle does indeed pan out.

ETA - and Okonkwo ain’t Vernon Davis. Never will be.

RAS is a Relative Athletic Scoring, key word is Relative. It is relative to their size. Certainly being a bigger TE is helpful to the position, specially for blocking purposes, it does not make them a more athletic player.

Can Titans’ Chig Okonkwo be NFL’s next great tight end?

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/c ... -tight-end

The article mentions that "Okonkwo was the Titans' best offensive weapon last season not named Henry."

It doesn't say he was the best football player on the team, but for all the guys not named Henry, he was the one best at gaining yards from scrimmage.

If his playing time is up significantly this year, he could be in for a big season.

The “relative” in RAS is actually relative to the position, not to size. Height and weight are two of the metrics used to determine RAS. which compares the metrics of players to others at their position.

Vrabel was just criticizing Okonkwo for his poor blocking a couple of weeks ago and that he’s going to have to get better at it. So it’s possible that his poor blocking may limit his field time, which in turn could affect his opportunity.

[mild]

The “relative” in RAS is actually relative to the position, not to size. Height and weight are two of the metrics used to determine RAS. which compares the metrics of players to others at their position.

Vrabel was just criticizing Okonkwo for his poor blocking a couple of weeks ago and that he’s going to have to get better at it. So it’s possible that his poor blocking may limit his field time, which in turn could affect his opportunity.

Or, we could go back to reality...

Chigoziem Okonkwo’s playing time increases slightly: A season ago, Okonkwo ranked first at his position in most rate stats, making his playing time this season a big question mark.

The Titans made several changes at tight end this season. They released Geoff Swaim and Austin Hooper, added Trevon Wesco and drafted Josh Whyle.
- The good news is that Okonkwo played 100% of the 11-personnel snaps with the starters. He played only 17.7% of snaps from that personnel grouping last season, so this is a dramatic increase.
- He played only four of nine snaps out of 12 personnel after playing 51.7% of those snaps last year. That is a slight decrease, but it would have just taken one more snap for him to be slightly up.
- Tennessee ran more out of 12 personnel today than they did last season, so it’s also possible he was kept out of 12 personnel more often today because they were running more.
- Ideally, Okonkwo takes 100% of snaps from 11 and 12 personnel, but this is a big step in the right direction for Okonkwo’s fantasy value.
- He was targeted on 33.3% of his pass routes, catching one pass for 19 yards from Malik Willis.
- He should be a borderline fantasy starter but has more upside than the rest of the tight ends with a similar ADP.

Your beloved Josh Whyle - the guy you kept telling us was the TE to own in TEN - appears to be running as the TE4, just by the way...

[jomaed]

Coming from a fan, the Titans would be absolute idiots for limiting Chig. Also wouldn't surprise me if they do.

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

with dhop and burks on the outside there should be plenty of space for chig to roam around the middle. expect a big year for him.

[mild]

“Kyle Philips suffered an MCL injury as he was taken down on a first-quarter punt return and the timetable for his return is in the range of six weeks…

The (injury) mean the Titans very likely play at least their Sept. 10 opening-day game without 2 of their top 3 receivers.”

There's a non-zero chance that Chig is once again going to be one of the only healthy pass-catchers for TEN in Week 1...

It's all sounding very familiar.